Two things....

[Si]

How was this allowed to happen?

Heartbroken police marksman shot himself dead after rowing with girlfriend who had cheated on him with one of his colleagues | Mail Online

and....

That's not a Glock, it's a Sig

 

[waterford103]

Little wonder so many innocent people are shot to death by police if this is the standard of people chosen for armed police , no mental health oversight obviously .

 

[deerstalker.308]

To be fair, it is in the daily blackmail, so the actual facts might not be quite so dramatic.........but still, really not good, to be known to have suicidal history but still be allowed to work in that environment....beggars belief

 

[Tartan_Terrier]

If this is the full story this was tragic, but very preventable, had his colleagues and chain of command done what they should have and relieved him from duty with firearms. To be perfectly honest, I don't see why someone who was emotionally fragile was even in the police force. As to the SIG, it's par for the course for the mainstream media. At least they didn't say it was an AK47!

 

[Wingy]

I don't know the exact circumstances leading up to this or how many signs were missed. However when friend and workmate a police firearms officer working at Manchester airport shot himself, although he was having domestic issues none of his family or workmates saw it coming. He used his own shotgun not work issue.
Wingy

 

[RED-DOT]

So sad... he was someones son and brother.

 

[finnbear270]

Reading all the way through, his Sergeant mentioned he did not take lightly that he might have been made to look foolish, an alarm bell if I ever heard one, well grounded types take criticism on board.

 

[Si]

Hindsight is a wonderful thing but this tragedy could have been prevented on so many levels...

The Ex missus, the girlfriend, friends, family, colleges, senior officers were all aware of his fragile state of mind yet no-one acted upon it. He had threatened to commit suicide on more than one occasion yet they allowed him to take a firearm home.

It's absurd.... and sad, very sad.

 

[Tom270]

Red-Dot has is right

 

[RED-DOT]

Thank you sir... there are too many to condemn him because he wore a uniform. He probably had or would have put his self in danger to protect someone he never knew

 

[Si]

I must be reading the replies differently to you RD, if anyone is to be condemned it's his friends and collegues who were aware of his previous suicide attempts and current fragile state of mind.

 

[bobthedug]

I must be reading the replies differently to you RD, if anyone is to be condemned it's his friends and collegues who were aware of his previous suicide attempts and current fragile state of mind.

Si,
This reply by Waterford103 is not exactly compassionate or sympathetic towards someone who is ill.

"Little wonder so many innocent people are shot to death by police if this is the standard of people chosen for armed police , no mental health oversight obviously".

Apart from him perhaps knowing something most of us don't about "innocent" people being shot to death by the police, I do not know what he means when he mentions the mental health issue. I doubt if it is intended to be sympathetic or compassionate.

Thanks Red Dot

 

[waterford103]

Si,
This reply by Waterford103 is not exactly compassionate or sympathetic towards someone who is ill.

"Little wonder so many innocent people are shot to death by police if this is the standard of people chosen for armed police , no mental health oversight obviously".

Apart from him perhaps knowing something most of us don't about "innocent" people being shot to death by the police, I do not know what he means when he mentions the mental health issue. I doubt if it is intended to be sympathetic or compassionate.

Thanks Red Dot

Sorry if I offended your fragile sensibilities , but a man with a table leg in a bag IS innocent , man in a yellow mini shot several times ( because he was in a yellow mini ? ) survived , in fact ALL those killed by the armed police were by reason of law INNOCENT UNTIL FOUND GUILTY ! The man shot by police whilst in a mini cab wasn't armed , a pistol in a sock was found "nearby " ???? I'm NOT having a go at the police ,they by and large do a good job , my complaint is an obvious lack of oversight especially in the case of this officer whose fragile nature forced him to end his life .The guilty ones are those who kept quiet " Oh he's ok -- he'll sort himself out " -- we he did didn't he ? The ease which he became in possession of a pistol and ammunition should spark a HUGE inquiry where no doubt " lessons will be learned " -- again and again and again .

​Of course I am sympathetic for the officers relations , I have none for the colleagues who left him to wallow in his own despair.

 

[bobthedug]

I don't know why you feel it necessary to use big shouty letters to emphasise the "Innocent until proven guilty"
I think that phrase applies to the legal process and not to the expected response by armed police to their perceived threat when dealing with a situation.
You mention the table leg scenario. I actually know a little of that case. Mr Stanley who came from where I was brought up. was a convicted, violent robber and a thug. He did not drop the table leg when instructed to do so by armed police who then shot and killed him. They believed he had a sawn off shotgun.
Other people who saw the table leg also thought it was a sawn off shot gun and called the police to that effect. The person with whom he was having a dispute with over an unpaid debt was also informed that Mr Stanley had a sawn off.
Anyway, in the Stanley case, despite several enquiries having taken place, the officers involved have not been subject to any charges or legal process.
As far as the Mini incident, I know nothing of that case and there is a danger that any research I do could result in me reading a report by a Daily Mail journalist which may not be factually correct.
I am still trying to find any incidents when innocents were shot dead by police officers who had questionable levels of mental health.

 

[waterford103]

I am still trying to find any incidents when innocents were shot dead by police officers who had questionable levels of mental health.

Read carefully , I didn't say there were armed police officers with mental health issues shooting innocents .I said there is a lack of oversight.
It is a FACT ( CAPS AGAIN ) THAT NO CHARGES HAVE BEEN BROUGHT. Why ?And since when is it legal to shoot someone for failing obey an order by armed police ? The man was apparently deaf .The leg remained in the bag . ??? It was ok because they said they BELIEVED (caps again) they were in danger ?? shot as he walked away ??

Put head back up yer ar_e .
​This isn't an argument --- it's a comment , like it or not.

 

[Cut+Squirt]

I don't know why you feel it necessary to use big shouty letters to emphasise the "Innocent until proven guilty"
I think that phrase applies to the legal process and not to the expected response by armed police to their perceived threat when dealing with a situation.
You mention the table leg scenario. I actually know a little of that case. Mr Stanley who came from where I was brought up. was a convicted, violent robber and a thug. He did not drop the table leg when instructed to do so by armed police who then shot and killed him. They believed he had a sawn off shotgun.
Other people who saw the table leg also thought it was a sawn off shot gun and called the police to that effect. The person with whom he was having a dispute with over an unpaid debt was also informed that Mr Stanley had a sawn off.
Anyway, in the Stanley case, despite several enquiries having taken place, the officers involved have not been subject to any charges or legal process.
As far as the Mini incident, I know nothing of that case and there is a danger that any research I do could result in me reading a report by a Daily Mail journalist which may not be factually correct.
I am still trying to find any incidents when innocents were shot dead by police officers who had questionable levels of mental health.

Well said!!!

 

[ths84]

If he performed his duties well then whats the problem? We all have dark thoughts at times and maybe dip a little bit lower on some occasions, and yet here we are having done nothing wrong still with our FAC's

Not sure on how good his so called colleagues were when she is off with one of his team members, its a sad event and I do feel sorry for the family who are picking up the pieces on this.