Value of DSC 1

Richard S

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There have been a lot of posts on this subject, with many experienced stalkers questioning the validity of the qualification. Until very recently I had no intention of doing a course, as I had found a mentor to supervise me and the police had made the purchase of my rifle conditional on it only being used in the mentor's presence until such time as he would pass me as "fit for purpose" to allow me to use it by myself.

About two weeks ago, following an unfortunate incident, my mentor and I had an acrimonious parting of the ways, which, according to the police, left me without a satisfactory reason for owning the rifle. They said I must either find another mentor or sign up for a DSC1 course within the week. I know there are debates about the legality of such a requirement, but I'm afraid I took the easy route rather than starting a crusade against the system and signed up for a course which takes place next weekend.This plunged me into two weeks of intensive revision, and I have to say that I have learned an awful lot, some of it of questionable real value no doubt, but all information I would have never bothered to acquire unless pushed.

It was the subject of meat hygiene and carcass inspection which really prompted this post. While with my mentor I shot my one and, so far only deer, and as I previously posted, made a thoroughly bad job of it, missing the heart and shooting it in the stomach. I successfully despatched the animal, but obviously the graloch was very messy. As it was on the mentor's permission the carcass was his, and I went with him to the game dealer and watched him hose out the contents of the rumen and weigh the carcass in. Having read the training manual, I am now horrified at the potential spread of food poisoning I witnessed, but if I hadn't done the reading I would have assumed that this was the correct procedure for a fouled carcass. It seems that the loss of this mentor was a blessing in disguise.

So. Although I doubt that the acquisition of a certificate which cannot include any practical stalking will make me a "Trained Hunter" in anything but name, I now think that the reading necessary for the course has been useful in many ways, as well as really interesting.

Richard
 

User00014

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what you witnessed is wide spread , all you can do is be as clean as you can be and produce the very best venison you can .
 

norma 308

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In my experience though so many trained hunters come out of doing a dsc 1 with little or no clue of what to do in the REAL world and then try and then go on to leval two with perhaps a handful of deer under thier belt is this right ? My mentors and now mates have many many years under thier belts this is priceless and I learn new skills everytime I stalk with them .i am no expert but for me the dsc is loosing some credibility ,I think it is a good thing but I also think hunting with guys who are the real deal also has so much to offer .police making it a condition of a fac for deer also holds no water for me especially if you already have an fac !
I learnt falconry under a mentor, I learnt to stalk under a mentor, I learnt keepering under a mentor ,it works for me probably because I hate exams and have always been a more practical person .
regards
​norma
 

jimbo1984

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To a complete novice to stalking I've no doubt it's a worthwhile course , however what the police told you ( get the dsc or lose your rifle ) to me is wholly illegal!! Nowhere in the guidelines from the home office does it say this !
 

RED-DOT

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Half the failures in DSC1 are "experienced" stalkers who think they should fly through of those that fail half of then fail on the targets.... says a lot eh?
 

shaun22/250

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I too was pushed towards the DSC1 by my FLO to obtain Deer on my ticket and completed the course in Jan 2012. And like yourself I have seen poor food hygiene standards being used. As for level 2 I think this is a more worth while qualification and I will at some point look to doing it. But as yet I still consider myself a novice/newbe even with 9 accompanied stalks 2 with no shot and 10 deer grassed in the other 7 stalks in the last 20 months, still so much to learn. And I know it dosnt mention it in the guide lines but I do think its a good thing in a way that some forces make people do it first. Lets face it Joe bloggs been shooting bunnies with his .22 rimfire for umpteen years and applies for .243, .270, .308 etc for deer, there is a big difference in bunny's and deer and not just the size. It give you a little knowledge to help you get started and makes you realize there's more to stalking than pulling the trigger. Shaun
 

Richard S

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Norma, I agree that there is no substitute for practical training, and I hope I can arrange something in the future, preferably with someone more fastidious than my previous mentor. I am still a complete novice, and intend to learn by my own experience and also from the experience of others more knowledgeable than myself, which is nearly everyone on this forum.

​Richard
 

norma 308

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Rich
i will throw the cat amongst the pidgeons now and say many stalkers on here will have gut shot deer it happens it has to me ! Did i dispose of the carcase? Yes ! I ate it .did I die ? No !
Would I take it down the game dealer ? No
Just my opinion mate .if it happened again as it probably will I would unzip at the larder and wash out straight away even wipe out depending on degree of damage .then into the freezer for myself .
good luck with your stalking chap .
​norma
 

Monkey Spanker

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Just my opinion mate .if it happened again as it probably will I would unzip at the larder and wash out straight away even wipe out depending on degree of damage .then into the freezer for myself .
​norma

The best thing to do with a known gut shot deer is to not even bother with a gralloch!
If you can, skin it whilst it is still warm with the gralloch intact. Plug entry/exit holes with kitchen roll or similar). Slice down either side of the backbone and remove all of the fillet, shoulders and neck meat. Remove haunches at the ball joint. Chuck rest away - job done with minimal waste and minimal mess!;)
MS:)
 

rick6point5

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Exactly the right job MS, thats the way i would treat it, we have all misplaced shots anyone who claims to have had a perfect record from day 1 is telling porky's....
cheers
 

Archer

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When was the training manual for DSC1 created and when was it last updated?
I ask because I find myself disagreeing with some of the statements regarding food safety/hygiene.
 

woodmaster

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Good one scubadog. I like your reasoning. Or maybe they ran out of ice and all the meat went bad in the deep freeze. As far as the OP's post I think it's great that you have put up a genuine post showing the errors made and how you now have a better knowledge after reading up. I too learned a fair bit and confirmed to myself that a lot of the things I already did were right, along with a few things that were wrong. So for relative newbies I feel the training is most beneficial and we as a group (hunters) should try to ensure the content and delivery of this training is to a high standard and retains it's credibility. So in the long run those outside of the hunting community whom may purchase venison or be in contact with hunters managing deer have a sense of our professionalism shown through such qualification.
 

Wingers243

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There have been a lot of posts on this subject, with many experienced stalkers questioning the validity of the qualification. Until very recently I had no intention of doing a course, as I had found a mentor to supervise me and the police had made the purchase of my rifle conditional on it only being used in the mentor's presence until such time as he would pass me as "fit for purpose" to allow me to use it by myself.

About two weeks ago, following an unfortunate incident, my mentor and I had an acrimonious parting of the ways, which, according to the police, left me without a satisfactory reason for owning the rifle. They said I must either find another mentor or sign up for a DSC1 course within the week. I know there are debates about the legality of such a requirement, but I'm afraid I took the easy route rather than starting a crusade against the system and signed up for a course which takes place next weekend.This plunged me into two weeks of intensive revision, and I have to say that I have learned an awful lot, some of it of questionable real value no doubt, but all information I would have never bothered to acquire unless pushed.

It was the subject of meat hygiene and carcass inspection which really prompted this post. While with my mentor I shot my one and, so far only deer, and as I previously posted, made a thoroughly bad job of it, missing the heart and shooting it in the stomach. I successfully despatched the animal, but obviously the graloch was very messy. As it was on the mentor's permission the carcass was his, and I went with him to the game dealer and watched him hose out the contents of the rumen and weigh the carcass in. Having read the training manual, I am now horrified at the potential spread of food poisoning I witnessed, but if I hadn't done the reading I would have assumed that this was the correct procedure for a fouled carcass. It seems that the loss of this mentor was a blessing in disguise.

So. Although I doubt that the acquisition of a certificate which cannot include any practical stalking will make me a "Trained Hunter" in anything but name, I now think that the reading necessary for the course has been useful in many ways, as well as really interesting.

Richard

Sounds to me like your acrimonious parting of company with your mentor was probably the best thing that could have happened in the long run! Mentoring of that nature is not much help.

For all the DSC bashing that goes on, you rarely see a post here from someone who has recently attended and did not take something away from it.

In my opinion, as an AW, L1 is a better designed qualification than is L2. It gives an excellent grounding in the knowledge you need to apply to your practical stalking. If you do so it will put you in good stead. We know L1 doesn't cover every aspect in detail, that is not possible, if it did it would be called BSc not a DSC. Provided it is treated as what it is meant to be it is very valuable. Unfortunately there is maybe a perception that it is more than it actually is and it seems to me that might be a perception held largely by those that haven't got it.....
 

Toxster

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One of the reasons DSC was introduced was to improve quality in the food chain. Case in point here.
 

Brno2e

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As a complete novice the level 1 was a great starting point and the revision and course gained me more information in a short time than I could of obtained by trial and error. I know that it is only the begining but it is a great pointer for the future and passing it was a great confidence booster. I found it worth every penny in my case.
 

timbrayford

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Doing DSC1 broadened my knowledge considerably, it did not make me a deer or stalking expert but it did lead me to call into question some of the anti-deer statements made by some public authorities and conservation groups.

atb Tim
 
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