Who will you vote for?

[ChesterP]

The EC hasn't finished with him yet and now the EU are digging the dirt on him and investigating him RE donations from Aaron Banks. They are of course squeaky clean and have satisfied themselves that they are without blemish on their own money management. In fact they're so confident of their financial cleanliness that their own accounts remain unaudited. The hypocrasy is laughable. The truth is that Labour, the Lib Dems and the EU are all terrified that the Brexit Party will sweep all before them on Thursday and more to the point, are heading towards being a lead paretner in possibly a hung parliament on the next general election. They are terrified of Brexit because they know that the protectionist regimes, the control and the ideology of a Federal Europe will be massively set back or even left in tatters should Brexit happen. Brace yourselves because nothing is over yet...the establishment will do everything in its power to halt Brexit and overturn Article 50.

 

[kes]

I agree, most politics is a barely concealed use of power abusively. Democracy is the opiate used by the untruthful and self-serving to hide their unrelentingly manipulative agendas - it is very much more sense to vote Brexit and 'drain the swamp' - I now sympathise rather more with our yank friends and also understand the meaning of that phrase rather better.

 

[dartmoordog]

My wife and I were probably going to make the effort to vote on Thursday, despite the lethargy we both feel about the whole thing..........But in view of these very recent events, there will most DEFINITELY be two more Xs in the Brexit box.

 

[Apthorpe]

I think that you will find that most people voting for the Brexit Party have little to no clue what Democracy is either. How can voting for the Brexit Party, a party that has not even presented a party manifesto , who has a party leader that is under investigation for all sorts of slimy and dirty things and is a national embarrassment, be a democratic thing to do ?
Kindest regards, Olaf

All of our politicians are a national embarrassment. The Conservative party hasn' t presented a manifesto either. Farage may or may not have misused funds, but alleged criminality is no impediment to being an MEP. Since he is allegedly only under investigation, we cannot correctly presume that he is guilty of anything that ought to make him ineligible. Spreading apparently groundless innuendo about candidates isn't exactly demonstrating a respect for democracy either.
On those grounds, we'd reject most European parties, and many nations.

 

[Orion]

What I want to know is which practitioner of necromancy revived Gordon Brown long enough for him to lodge the allegation with the Electoral Commission?

Could be a permanent job in the offing for whoever it was at the House of Lords.

 

[User00035]

I think that you will find that most people voting for the Brexit Party have little to no clue what Democracy is either. How can voting for the Brexit Party, a party that has not even presented a party manifesto , who has a party leader that is under investigation for all sorts of slimy and dirty things and is a national embarrassment, be a democratic thing to do ?
Kindest regards, Olaf

People who start posts with "I think that you will find..." - the catch-all look-down-your-nose opener, generally have little to no clue about anything at all and posts that begin with this phrase are rarely worth reading further as the above example shows.

 

[mchughcb]

We just had an election. Before the election some hunters posted on social media which party is sympathetic to hunting. One party has the name "shooters fishers farmer party" as its name with representatives in the upper and lower houses in several states most of which are members of the Australian Deer Association.


They walk among us.

 

[ChesterP]

People who start posts with "I think that you will find..." - the catch-all look-down-your-nose opener, generally have little to no clue about anything at all and posts that begin with this phrase are rarely worth reading further as the above example shows.

+1

...plus all his other points have absolutely no relevance to the EU elections on Thursday. Some of the main parties don't have a manifesto yet either, and to suggest that Farage is a National Embarrassment is a bit rich when we have Corbyn/May/Cable/Soubry/Johnson/Gove/Cable to name a few in the mix! Soubry...turncoat and thick as two short planks; Gove...they don't get more slimy than he; Cable; Brexiteer until the EU decided to lavish cash on the Lib Dems so now he tows the EU Party line (about turn!); Corbyn...is to Labour what May is to Conservatism...in both cases the source of their parties downfall, treachorous, dangerous and utterly bereft of the competence, knowledge and expertise it takes to lead a party let alone run a country!

Olaf, may we respectfully suggest that you at least try to engage some reason before attacking the keyboard? Perhaps look at some real facts which relate to the state of the UK instead of talking down to those of us who are within a majority who want out of this mess that the establishment has created for us. Farage is the ONLY person talking sense, not mincing words, not doing U-turns at every opportunity and whose utter contempt for the EU federal state ideology and main players is borne of years of first hand experience and knowledge of how it all actually functions.

As to Olaf's opening sentence, frankly it's embarrassing that someone with intelligence could write that. In one fell swoop denying the dignity or integrity of those of us who wish to leave the EU and the Customs Union whilst at the same time pointing to an empty bag of hot air in place of any relevant facts whatsoever.

 

[Pine Marten]

Cable; Brexiteer until the EU decided to lavish cash on the Lib Dems so now he tows the EU Party line (about turn!);

Sorry, but when has Vince Cable ever been a Brexiteer, and if he had been, how on earth would he have been elected to head a party with an explicit commitment to the EU at its very core? And how has the EU lavished cash on the Lib Dems, beyond paying the salary of the single MEP that they have?

 

[ChesterP]

Vince cable was at least on the fence when this all started, despite his generally pro EU stance. He has been quoted as such and only changed suit when his party pulled the other way with their manifesto being staunchly pro-EU, with coincidentally funding to the party from the EU. It's all in the public domain. Since then he has poured derision on brexit supporters, been openly hostile, insulting and his comments brand him as a public disgrace, not a public servant.

 

[Pine Marten]

It's all in the public domain.

Where? I can't find it. Political parties aren't allowed to receive serious funding from overseas, that's what the Brexit Party is being investigated for, so it's a pretty serious accusation to make with no evidence.

 

[Apthorpe]

Where? I can't find it. Political parties aren't allowed to receive serious funding from overseas, that's what the Brexit Party is being investigated for, so it's a pretty serious accusation to make with no evidence.
As for the Lib Dems record on the EU, no Lib Dem MP, including Cable, voted against having the Brexit referendum; the Lib Dem 2015 manifesto included a pledge to enact an in-out referendum if there were any further tteaty change.
The claim that the LibDems have been consistently and unambiguously anti-Brexit is simply untrue.

Didn't stop Gordon Brown making such an allegation, did it?

 

[Apthorpe]

Sorry, but when has Vince Cable ever been a Brexiteer, and if he had been, how on earth would he have been elected to head a party with an explicit commitment to the EU at its very core? And how has the EU lavished cash on the Lib Dems, beyond paying the salary of the single MEP that they have?

When he stood for election in 2015 on a LibDem manifesto that included a commitment to an in-out EU referendum in the event of treaty change, and when he previously failed to vote against a bill to enact a Brexit referendum.

 

[kes]

Why is anyone even thinking about Gordon Brown, a 'non-pm', a besmircher of the best of human values - the most worthless politician who was never elected to be Prime Minister but master of the forced 'smile'.
He was a racist - he hated the English.

 

[foxdropper]

And a **** right arm .

 

[deeangeo]

Why is anyone even thinking about Gordon Brown, a 'non-pm', a besmircher of the best of human values - the most worthless politician who was never elected to be Prime Minister but master of the forced 'smile'. Absolutely agreed
He was a racist - he hated the English. Yet ??, - in the Scottish Independence referendum, he voted and encouraged Scots to 'Stay in the Union'