WtF has happened to our chalkstreams??
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Heym SR20
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Water companies being allowed to get away with this and send billions in dividends to shareholders who are mostly Mr Sunaks or Borris’s friend.
Under the EU the British Government would have been held to account for allowing such pollution and such behaviour.
But of course the bunch of crooks got away with it.
Perhaps one day justice will prevail.
Under the EU the British Government would have been held to account for allowing such pollution and such behaviour.
But of course the bunch of crooks got away with it.
Perhaps one day justice will prevail.
The election coming is all about who is "least worse" , the issue is those who will decide this dont really remember The other sides Screw ups after Labour spent all we had and left the sarky note in the treasury.
We are about to fight a war there is very little chance this wont happen if Putin and his crew survives long enough
Heym SR20
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Agreed, but the current lot haven’t improved anything at all, other than simply selling off all our assets to overseas buyers and remove the main engines for economic growth. They removed us from easy access to our largest market, and this has been replaced with exactly what?
And nor did he, and nor have you. In the absence of any evidence of any payments existing, one can't just make claims and expect them not to be challenged. I have said I have the suspicion and he has claimed it is a fact, I don't feel that my statement was more spurious than his. Why have you challenged only the one?
It has a budget of a similar size to the combined profits of all the water companies. If these companies are making massive profits, then the quango has a massive budget.
Actually, there are about 10,600 people employed to stop it.
The state is larger, not smaller. Everything else is effectively decriminalised by the managerial choices of the Police forces, which are independent. Police forces choose their priorities, as you'll be well aware with Police Scotland topically.
Quite right, its the ****ing Tories wrecking the countryside for shareholders profit (sic) or (sick)
In what respect?
That's a bit close to the bone, really. If the rivers weren't looked after they'd be no habitat left, just a horrible mass of weed.
Accusing a river keeper of not caring for his beat is a bit like saying grouse keepers don't help grouse numbers!
Could also put the same hat on the deer managers up in the Highlands
NO you get me very wrong i am talking about England which shut down what was pretty much the system that Scotland has up to today . Basically the thief is the Guard in England. Those that inspect the water are very literally dumping so called storm drains into out rivers from sewage treatment plants, and more and its national policy , no rivers get to different seasons and we have a national fishing licence . Sorry i really should have made it crystal that i was not talking Scotland. I actually think that is how we should set the clock back to get things back in order .In what respect?
That's a bit close to the bone, really. If the rivers weren't looked after they'd be no habitat left, just a horrible mass of weed.
Accusing a river keeper of not caring for his beat is a bit like saying grouse keepers don't help grouse numbers!
Could also put the same hat on the deer managers up in the Highlands
They are so way off being river keepers as it gets
So am I. There's not a river keeper in the county who isn't outraged at the pumping of sewage into our chalk streams.
When have you actually dealt with a river keeper? I know a few and they're as passionate about caring for their beats as any deer manager of game keeper is about the ground they look after.
Frankly, I find your opinion on the matter very disrespectful to those who work in the industry.
nun_hunter
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Unfortunately the UK has a shared water system where rainwater and sewage share drains. It's designed to overflow into the rivers when it is overwhelmed. This was a design feature meant to happen only once or twice a many years apart and was adopted across the whole county when the London sewer system was overhauled hundred of years ago. Even if new builds and new infrastructure has separate systems they eventually flow into a shared system.
The population has grown and water companies who were put in charge of maintaining the system, improving it and upgrading it to cope have simply not kept up their part of the deal after being given the system to run while making a huge profit.
Yet people are made to worry and argue about other issues that pale into significance to keep them squabbling rather than standing up to the government and demanding change.
The population has grown and water companies who were put in charge of maintaining the system, improving it and upgrading it to cope have simply not kept up their part of the deal after being given the system to run while making a huge profit.
Yet people are made to worry and argue about other issues that pale into significance to keep them squabbling rather than standing up to the government and demanding change.
Martiniblack577
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UK reliance on EIB funding and investment
As outlined, the UK Water sector has relied on the finance provided by the EIB. In fact, the EIB has invested over €17billion (£15.2billion) in the water and sewerage sector since privatisation in 1989.
Historically, the EIB has been a large provider of finance to Anglian Water – around €1.1billion (£982million) since 1989. However, we do not anticipate taking on any additional debt with them in our 2015-2020 regulatory period. We have been able to meet our financing needs competitively through other means - most notably when we became the first European utility company to issue a Green Bond in August 2017.
Ihttps://committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/93845/html/
The EIB, being a bank owned by the EU member states and funded, inter alia, by the UK. The amount of funding indicated here is less than 10% of the sum invested by the water companies in that period. The funding described is in the form of commercial loans. It is funding, but it is not actually a case of the EU having spent any money or given any money to the UK. As always with the EU, there is the fact that they got the money from the UK in the first place.
"Water companies have invested £190 billion since privatisation in 1989."
The consequence of this is that now, some of the money which people above are outraged about water companies paying to investors rather than cleaning up their act, is going to the EIB. The EU therefore being part of the problem, rather than the claimed prior source of help.
But only after they've paid billions to their bondholders including ...er....the EU.
It wouldn't and wasn't, otherwise we would have a satisfactory water system and clean rivers as at 2020, which we very much did not. The idea that this is a problem which didn't exist prior to Brexit and was caused by a major deviation from EU standards, is a complete fantasy without factual basis.
jimo
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The main reason for the increase in spills has been the weather and possibly more accurate recording. Our sewer system is old and combines some storm water with sewage. In very heavy rainfall either the works would be swamped or houses flooded with sewage so overflows are built in. It has rained like Hell since early October so of course spills are up. Add in an increasing population, muppets putting cooking oil, nappies and wet wipes down the bog and heavier rainfall (global warming anyone?) it is no wonder.
I’m no fan of utility companies but it’s important to understand what’s happening when we criticise.
Martiniblack577
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I can’t take your responses seriously.
Martiniblack577
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England’s rivers to remain in poor state as EU laws ignored post-Brexit, says watchdog
Government’s failure to match EU measures to improve condition of rivers, lakes and oceans called ‘deeply concerning’
amp.theguardian.com
Utectok
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This is basically appalling thanks for the infoEngland’s rivers to remain in poor state as EU laws ignored post-Brexit, says watchdog
Government’s failure to match EU measures to improve condition of rivers, lakes and oceans called ‘deeply concerning’
nun_hunter
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He just likes to argue for the sake of it even when he's wrong.
What people who are anti the EU seem to fail to realise is that, yes, we gave them money and they spent just some some of that money back on us BUT they spent it on projects and schemes that the UK government never had any intention of spending money on and so we're actually doing some good with it. They made sure some money went back into rural communities and was for the environment unlike the UK government who unless it's or the London banking industry they're not interested in spending money on.
