6.5x55 vs 6.5 Creedmoor

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Laurie said:
The bolt-face occasionally has to be opened out marginally for European brass, but more usually it's a simple barrel-change. (I believe that US made 6.5X55mm has the 'standard' 0.473" rim diameter and is therefore marginally non-compliant, not that 10 thou' makes any difference in this instance.)
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Good to know again, as I am in UK I am guessing the bolt face issue (not that is really is one) would affect me or would that be more down to Manufacturer rather than location?
 
The Devil's Own Bang Stick (Blaser R93) makes no distinction regarding the bolt face. It uses the same bolt face/head as the .2-250/.243/.260/.308/.30-06 family of cartridges
 
Vipa said:
Just get a 6.5x55...

I have never understood the desire to go for boutique calibres that offer marginal (at the very best) performance over proven, well established designs.

Let's face it, a decent 6.5x55SE will outshoot you all day long so even if a creedmore or x47L was 'marginally' better than a swede on paper... as a human being, you would never be able to capitalise on that theoretical improvement!

To shoot your 6.5x55 at 1k you will likely need a 20/30moa rail... you would need that however on pretty much any calibre at that range... the 6.5x55 will reach the target exhibiting the same terminal speed as a .308, even though it started off slower... it is such an efficient projectile.
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I am not a 6.5mm man at all. But am I wrong when I think that a 6.5x55 loaded at the same pressures ( modern rifle) as the x47L , always should outclass the x47L ?? The case is simply bigger, so there is more case volume ? Accuracy, for stalking needs, is more than O.K. in the 6.5x55 .
Just curious.
 
MrTrigger said:
Am I correct in how I have deciphered this?: I Swede by default is a Long Action and a Creedmoor is a Short Action?

Or have I got my wires crossed?
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Rifle manufacturer dependent, but pretty much right
Sako 75 Action III - (Short Action in 85) - .22-250, .243, .260, 7mm-08, .308 + rebarrels in 6.5x47mm & 6.5 Creedmore
Sako 75 Action IV - (Medium Action in 85) - .25-06, 6.5x55mm, .270, 7x64mm (8x57mm in 85), .30-06, (9.3x62mm in 75) & 9.3x66mm

"Long" actions in Sako are the Magnums - 7mm, 300 Win Mag, 330 Win Mag & 375 H&H Mag
 
In UK there seems to be a lot of Ruger Precision in 6.5 CM the next most regular find is a Howa 1500, I have seen a Sabatti as well... This is just looking on the Auctions for Creedmoor rifles as is out the box. Are there any "issues" with these, I know Howa make a reliable rifle for the price, its not a Blaser by any means (A bit too hefty for my budget) but I have heard mixed reviews about the Ruger and the Sabatti I have never even heard of, coming from Africa its not one I would have encountered. Can anyone shed any light on this? Or even if I go CM maybe some recommendations? I see the Sako mentioned above which I think is a good option but I can only find 1 currently... Just interested in my options...
 
tackb said:
that would be why the swede holds all the world accuracy records then , oh wait..............

it doesn't really matter if you currently have a swede , no point in changing, but if your buying new why not go for the latest ?
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Was that record achieved with a human operator or fastened to a bench and operated by computer.. if it is the former, I fail to see your point!?
 
tackb said:
yes the swede is a long action , creedmoor is a short action and I have a feeling that the swede has an unusual case head size i'll have to check that ?

yes it's .4703 against .4803 , so the swede is different to the 30/06 and 308 family of cartridges , not sure what effect it has on a rebarrel to another calibre , you'd need to ask a riflesmith
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There is no practical difference with the case head size I have an F class 6.5x55 on a winchester M70 no mods to the bolt face were required you may need to open up a Remington bolt face a tad my 40X will
fit a 6.5x55 case,
A gunsmith friend of mine rebarreled a Sako 75 111 in 6.5 Swede with out any problems the mag length is 2.90" so only need to seat the 140+ grain bullets marginally deeper, if you go for a Tikka T3 you get
a long action by default
 
shooternz said:
There is no practical difference with the case head size I have an F class 6.5x55 on a winchester M70 no mods to the bolt face were required you may need to open up a Remington bolt face a tad my 40X will
fit a 6.5x55 case,
A gunsmith friend of mine rebarreled a Sako 75 111 in 6.5 Swede with out any problems the mag length is 2.90" so only need to seat the 140+ grain bullets marginally deeper, if you go for a Tikka T3 you get
a long action by default
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thanks for that , I knew there was a small difference but wasn't aware if it was a major issue , clearly not although it sounds like some bolts may need a small modification if rebarrellling to certain calibres?
 
Vipa said:
Was that record achieved with a human operator or fastened to a bench and operated by computer.. if it is the former, I fail to see your point!?
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you won't see my point because it doesn't fit your opinion despite all the evidence and facts , but that's ok , have a nice day x
 
tackb said:
you won't see my point because it doesn't fit your opinion despite all the evidence and facts , but that's ok , have a nice day x
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So what is the evidence and what are the facts? I was under the impression the BR 1k world record was held by a 6BR? Are there any records taken by the creedmore?
 
Vipa said:
So what is the evidence and what are the facts? I was under the impression the BR 1k world record was held by a 6BR? Are there any records taken by the creedmore?
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not the 6.5x55 ? or maybe the 6mm Remington ? fancy that , people have chosen a modern more accurate design of cartridge , well I never !

are you getting my point about your original post I commented on yet ? (I doubt it !) and if you did your highly unlikely to concede that I or anyone else has a point having dealt with you before on line.

good day
 
tackb said:
I'm sorry but your completely wrong because the world record holder vipa isn't mentioned nor is his hallowed 6.5x55 !
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Yeh sorry I should have been more precise, that is from 2012/13 but it shows that Creedmoor was already up and coming 3 years ago...
 
MrTrigger said:
Yeh sorry I should have been more precise, that is from 2012/13 but it shows that Creedmoor was already up and coming 3 years ago...
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Rather annoyingly I cannot find anything current on long range current competition statistics... Its all from like 2/3 years ago.. :banghead:
 
tackb said:
not the 6.5x55 ? or maybe the 6mm Remington ? fancy that , people have chosen a modern more accurate design of cartridge , well I never !

are you getting my point about your original post I commented on yet ? (I doubt it !) and if you did your highly unlikely to concede that I or anyone else has a point having dealt with you before on line.

good day
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Blimey, you really did fall out of bed the wrong side this morning! either that or you forgot to take your meds...

It was a genuine question... what records have been broken by the Creedmore? You talk about evidence and facts but have presented none! ANNNDDDD you have completely misunderstood my original post!

My point is quite simple... on paper, there is a POSSIBILITY, that the creedmore could perform better than the swede, the swede isn't typically a go to choice for 1k shooting, that tends to be mainly 6mm in the benchrest world and mainly 308 in the F/tr world. But, the potential gains of a creedmore over a swede (if any) will be completely negated by the human element! The main reason new, boutique cartridges such as this gain traction comes down to fashion and really not much else.. so, why handicap yourself and spend a small fortune on a rifle you will ultimately find it difficult and/or expensive to feed... the Swede is as good, or within a degree where human error will make it as good, is easy to obtain, both made up and in components and is so long in the tooth, and popular in Europe, the chances of ammo and components vanishing from the shelves is very low.... can the same be said for the Creedmore?

You are bringing in cross calibre arguments, I was referring to same calibre, different chamberings (apples with apples)... Using your argument why don't we start talking about 338LM or 375 cheytacs? the argument doesn't stand!
 
Not stoking the fire here but that is basically the point of the thread... I was asking if the Creedmoor would, in peoples views move itself from this "boutique" status, with Lapua joining the party with the announcement of the CM case they are going to release early next quarter and again by the looks of most manufacturers joining the party by offering a 6.5CM chambering it looks to be a reality that it will become a readily available calibre. Starting from zero as I am and on the cusp of this transition I think I would be a bit naive to overlook the 6.5CM, I don't think anyone is denying the capability of the Swede and I most likely will never be able to stretch a CM to the capabilities it is possible to achieve (or even a Swede for that matter). but my initial outlay is going to be much of a muchness I would think and so long as both are available I may as well adapt straight away to the more modern calibre (which on paper is more accurate, disregarding the shooters ability)... If people bounced on here and told me I was crazy for looking at the CM as a starter 6.5 then for me there would be no contest but to go for the Swede...
 
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