2 years Report using WT1 75-3 Thermal riflescope.

Well done royr, at last a sensible objective write up from someone who has used the scope as it should be used, over a period of time and in all conditions.
Clive can be contacted quite easily via messaging on his forum, he runs a small specialised company dedicated to research and development and as there are only so many hours in the day is very busy.

Willowbank
 
What a cracking review and for what its worth, coming from an old reactionary and sceptic like me, the similarly well constructured sales pitch is well forgiven, to use the lingo of the day.

Well done and all the best
 
An outstanding review, perhaps the best I've seen, just getting into thermal, may have to consider the WT1 75-3.
 
I'm at your stage (3) at the moment, but have never had a readout of more than about 180 yrds with the 870LRF rangefinder.
I use the auxiliary power pack all the time. Are you limited to using dry batteries with thw Ward unit?
 
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I'm at your stage (3) at the moment, but have never had a readout of more than about 180 yrds with the 870LRF rangefinder.
I use the auxiliary power pack all the time. Are you limited to using dry batteries with thw Ward unit?

The Ward can handle an external battery pack, but it's very picky about the voltage of that pack.
I have a 75-6 and a friend has a 75-3 and we have both built external battery packs using 2 x 18650 rechargeable batteries.
In each case we needed have a voltage regulator set to between 4.8 and 5.7 volts.
Outwith that range and it simply won't start
With the voltage regulator set to 5.50 volts it works fine and no low battery indications.

Cheers

Bruce
 
The Ward can handle an external battery pack, but it's very picky about the voltage of that pack.
I have a 75-6 and a friend has a 75-3 and we have both built external battery packs using 2 x 18650 rechargeable batteries.
In each case we needed have a voltage regulator set to between 4.8 and 5.7 volts.
Outwith that range and it simply won't start
With the voltage regulator set to 5.50 volts it works fine and no low battery indications.

Cheers

Bruce


Hi Bruce

I too am thinking of the 75 - 3 having used the 800L (yours I believe) last winter

Does the 75-3 require an external battery pack or is that for extended longevity?

If so - how much life do you get from the supplied pack?

Cheers

J
 
Thanks JTO

I was just wondering whether Bruce had found in practice that he got less than the advertised life out of the pack

I thought perhaps that is why he went to the effort of building replacement/additional one

Probably as well to carry a spare set of fully charged batteries.
 
Until recently I only ever used panasonic CR123A non rechargeable lithium batteries in my thermal scope.
Mine takes 4 batteries (2 in series which are in parallel with another 2 in series) so that it runs on 6 volts.
I never used rechargeable CR123 batteries because:
a. When fully charged they would have a voltage of 8.4 volts and that could well be too high for the scope
b. Rechargeable CR123s have very low capacity compared to non rechargeable batteries (650mah compared to 1400mah)

Battery life with the non rechargeable CR123a batteries is around 6 hours continuous
The scope needs more voltage to start than it does to run, so it can and does happen that the scope is operating just fine but you switch it off between shots and then it won't start up again when needed and(on more than one occasion) a shot at a fox is not possible because you're desperately changing batteries in the dark!!

What was holding me back from building an external battery pack was that the cable plug that would fit the connector on the scope is about as common as rocking horse poo.
I eventually found the same style of connectors, with right number of pins, but they were the "wrong way round" i.e the cable plug was a female and the panel connector was a male. What was needed was a male cable connector.
With some difficulty, I "modified" the connectors to create a male plug.
I had a couple of attempts at a battery pack.
The first was a plastic 2 cell battery box like this from E Bay 1pcs 2X7.4V 18650 Battery Storage Case Waterproof Battery Box w/ Switch and Wire | eBay and it finished up looking like this
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This is quite neat but suffered from a major problem in that the recoil of the rifle (22-250) caused a brief loss of contact at one or more of the battery terminals resulting in scope briefly switching off.
A couple of small disc magnets on each end of each battery sorted this, but by then I had moved onto the second pack - the well known "battery torpedo" style
This uses a 2 cell torch body and tail switch, and the tail switch from a second torch. The second tail switch is disassembled and modified to take the voltage regulator and the cable comes out through the rubber push button
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This time I used protected 18650 batteries (they're slightly longer) and a disc magnet at the junction of the batteries to reduce the risk of a recoil induced loss of contact.
I shot 3 foxes the other night and it worked flawlessly.
That "torpedo" stays on the scope and the 18650 batteries are removed for charging.
A set of non rechargeable batteries are also fitted in case the "torpedo" runs out of juice.
I'd expect about 9 hours continuous from the "torpedo".

Cheers

Bruce
 
Until recently I only ever used panasonic CR123A non rechargeable lithium batteries in my thermal scope.
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This time I used protected 18650 batteries (they're slightly longer) and a disc magnet at the junction of the batteries to reduce the risk of a recoil induced loss of contact.
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I'd expect about 9 hours continuous from the "torpedo".

Cheers
Bruce

That's very good Bruce.
 
These deer were taken with the xtrail50 and the six before them also plus quite a bit of vermin


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Good Afternoon Gents,
Apologies for not replying sooner, but all this had slipped to the back of my mind since the start new Game Shooting season and all the extra nights of my Foxing stake-outs.

Good Afternoon "THE CHUNG",
Regarding software upgrades to the white X-hairs. This is a topic I've spoken to Clive about since purchase of the WT1 75-3 scope. And yes, I would like to have the option of a black X-hair when using the White thermal colour pallet. Perhaps the addition of green and red X-hairs would also be beneficial to the scope. Unfortunately, it appears this is still a “works in progress.”

Scope Batteries.
As mentioned by Bruce (mealiejimmy) the scope runs on 4 internal 3.7v - 4.2volt, 650ma rechargeable batteries, 2 pairs in parallel giving 8.4 volt at 1300ma. I measured the current drain with the unit switched-on, and recorded 210ma to 230ma depending on brightness / contrast settings. This would equate to a good 6 hours run time with new, quality batteries. These 16340 batteries advertise they can be recharged 500 times. Scope can also be powered by a higher current capacity external power-pack which extends the continuous run-time, excellent for all-night drive around Safari style foxing.


But, with my style of static stake-outs, for those tricky wily foxes, looking through my thermal Pulsar spotter, virtually continuously, takes its toll on my left eye which tires, so 6 hours run-time for the scope is more than enough! I use my left eye for spotting and my right eye for shooting; this ensures I always have a "good" eye for looking through the scope.

Personally I use the 650ma 16340 type rechargeable batteries. Either the 650ma Nitecore RCR123A 3.7V - 4.2V with protection circuits @around £28 set of 4, or the Ampsplus 650ma 16340 @ around £15 set of 4 without protection circuits from Ecoluxshop- ebay.

Of course I carry a spare set of 4 16340 batteries, you never know when that bonanza foxing night may occur?

Best regards
Roy

 
Morning Gents,
With the imminent show of fox cubs just a couple of months away I couldn't wait any longer for a new thermal spotter with LRF facility to arrive at Clive's Night Vision Store, it's still a works in progress, possibly autumn time? I need that LRF facility to correctly KNOW exact distance to these smaller targets to judge hold-over and layoff. With the thermal 2D screens, viewing an open field, a large dog fox at 300yards and a cub at 100 yards look very similar in size and having LRF removes any guesswork!
So, with Scott Country offering the thermal Apex XQ50 LRF riflescope at reduced price of £2739, I've purchased one to use mainly as a spotter, but as it is a riflescope there is the option of fitting it to my .22LR rimfire bunny rifle, when needed.:)

The first night out dispatched the two foxes spotted on a long 600 yard field of rape; a large dog fox at 178 yards and a small vixen that appeared to be further away, possibly 250 yards, but when checked with the Apex LRF was only 117yards distance. I am zeroed at 200 yards.

As for the clarity of view set at the same 6x mag of the Ward WT1 75-3, the Ward is much better. And the Apex still has that annoying 1.5second screen freeze, when it self calibrates; could be disastrous if you are just about the squeeze the trigger!!
The other disappointment with the Apex is that the 2x magnification "picture-in picture" facility only works at the base 2.8 magnification level, so the PIP is only ever 5.6 magnification (& pixilated) - good enough for any rimfire with bunny's as targets to 100 yards, IMHO. Basically it means if you were to set a 5x magnification and then press the PIP function, main screen reverts to 2.8 and 5.6 in the PIP.
So, very pleased with this purchase as a spotter with LRF facility, with the added option of fitting it to the .22 rimfire using subsonic 42gn ammo, replacing the digital Pulsar N870LRF.

Hope this info' assists someone.
Best regards,
RoyR
 
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ADDITIONAL - Apex XQ50 LRF riflescope SCANNING WITH FIRING RETICULE VISIBLE - not found in User Manual
Unable to find that this subject has been mentioned here before?

Found something really useful by accident with recent purchase of Pulsar Apex XQ50 LRF, using it primarily as a spotter with LRF with my .223.

By selecting SCAN in LRF mode, the main firing reticule (cross-hairs) is replaced with the square of LRF.
Now select BLACK Hot mode and the WHITE firing reticule appears - superimposed over the LRF square in scanning mode.
Now switch back to the WHITE Hot mode and the BLACK reticule appears - again superimposed over the LRF square in scanning mode.
I now have LRF in scanning mode WITH the firing reticule, excellent for multiple (rabbits) or moving targets - even switching the PIP on still functions.


Maybe I've the latest software? But this is brilliant!

Best regards
RoyR
 
2 years Report using WT1 75-3 Thermal riflescope.

Morning Chickentikka,
Most thermal scopes did not have enough base magnification including the PVS-14 at only x 2.5 base magnification. I required minimum 6 x base magnification, ensuring better quarry identification at range, so opted for the Ward WT1 75-3, brilliant piece of kit with x12 and x24 magnification an touch of button - very fast. I mentioned this in my original posting. Increasingly I found I needed a thermal spotter with integrated LRF facility, now knowing distance to target, I could judge hold-over and layoff, the Apex XQ50 LRF fulfilled that role, plus I can used it on my .22rimfire and fall back to using my original Pulsar HD50s as spotter.
You pays your money; each to their own.

Morning Foxdropper,
Do not know how well-used the Public Footpaths and Bridleways are in Wiltshire, but here in Kent setting snares in and around the release pens ON PRIVATE LAND, causes nothing but problems with the wandering public and their dogs; they won't keep to the designated Footpaths/Bridleways and they don't keep dogs on their leads! The Keepers head out at dawn each day to check the few snares that are set in the remote areas, but 2 years ago, summertime, the RSPCA and police were informed of a fox caught in a snare INSIDE A PRIVATE Wood at 05.00hrs. The walker and dog were off the nearest public footpath which was over 1/2 mile away, apparently they believed they had "The Right to Roam"? Too much bad publicity ensues when this happens, best avoided! So it's back to stake-outs and those midnight to dawn safaris; I certainly sleep soundly that following day. ;)

Regards
RoyR
 
Need help
Does anybody out there have a Clive Ward WT1 75-3, I could have a look through as mine is dog **** Clive as had it back once but did work a bit better on return but still not as good as my Spotter
 
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