6.5x55 or .243?

wildfowler.250

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So I’m looking for a second rifle in either of the above. I’ve already got a .270 which is fine,(flattens things but not much excitement to it) and a .22-250. Looking for a second ‘deer’ rifle, maybe more for hinds/roe ect. Ignoring the .22-250 as I have it for vermin, which would be the better option as a slightly milder deer gun? I’ve used a .243 on estates as a hire but never shot a 6.5 swede,(probably ideally a sako 75) but I’m very tempted by the latter.

Will be home loading so that’s less of an issue.


Cheers!


ps the .270 is staying. It does what it says on the tin :lol:
 
Maybe chose it on which bullets you want to shoot rather than caliber. If in doubt, go for the Swede!
 
I have 243 308 and 6.5 55


I use the 243 all the time but I only head shoot with it. 70g BT

I am using the 6.5 55 140g for longer range heart shots walk and stalk.

Very nice to shoot but a sod to feed with ammo so I am home loading for it

No where near as flat as the 243 but the low recoil makes for tighter groups and more confidence on shots out to 200 just as long as you know your hold overs or clicks

I feel the right expansion in the heads is very important with the 6.5 55 for chest shots in comparison with the sledge hammer 308

Whilst its a 140g round the weight is spread over the very long thin head which has some reports of pencilling through the chest cavity

Not had enough experience of shooting it to comment on that myself but have read a few reports on it.

Despite this, I much prefer to shoot it than the 308
 
I have 243 308 and 6.5 55


I use the 243 all the time but I only head shoot with it. 70g BT

I am using the 6.5 55 140g for longer range heart shots walk and stalk.

Very nice to shoot but a sod to feed with ammo so I am home loading for it

No where near as flat as the 243 but the low recoil makes for tighter groups and more confidence on shots out to 200 just as long as you know your hold overs or clicks

I feel the right expansion in the heads is very important with the 6.5 55 for chest shots in comparison with the sledge hammer 308

Whilst its a 140g round the weight is spread over the very long thin head which has some reports of pencilling through the chest cavity

Not had enough experience of shooting it to comment on that myself but have read a few reports on it.

Despite this, I much prefer to shoot it than the 308

What speed are you getting with the 70s out of interest?

Im shooting 120s out of the swede at 2850 fps, it's zeroed at 200 and is point and shoot to 225 or so.

The swede is far more versatile, provided that you don't wish to shoot really light varmint bullets and are prepared to reload, 85-160 gr available
 
Cheers for the help, really appreciate it. Any more opinions would be great!


Now even with the .270 I don’t think I’ve taken a shot over 200. Never had to, I can always get a bit closer or leave for another day. But, I would take trajectory into consideration. Realistically 120grain 6.5 sounds good. I’m surprised there’s a difference in recoil between the 6.5 and .243. If anything I’d have thought the .243 would be milder!
 
Cheers for the help, really appreciate it. Any more opinions would be great!


Now even with the .270 I don’t think I’ve taken a shot over 200. Never had to, I can always get a bit closer or leave for another day. But, I would take trajectory into consideration. Realistically 120grain 6.5 sounds good. I’m surprised there’s a difference in recoil between the 6.5 and .243. If anything I’d have thought the .243 would be milder!

I have 22-250, 243, 6-5, 308, 3006 if I were only able to keep one it would be the 3006 as it can do anything I need. But if I were to choose my favourite it would be the 6-5 by far. 140gr shoots plenty flat enough out to 250. Meat damage is minimal, I generally get 1inch exit with SST round's. They are very accurate in my sauer. By the way all those calibre are sauer so no other reason to like one over the other. Buy the 6.5
 
Love my 6.5x55Swede and I think in the long run it has the edge on a .243 where versatility of projectiles in the 87gr~>160gr are available if one is prepared to dig around. My own 6.5x55 gives me really exceptional accuracy with just about any bullet I load it with for home-loaded rounds, but my fave's are 140gr @2850fps and 120/123gr around 2950fps. If you are in a pinch for an effective deer dropper and have yet to load either 125gr or 140gr Nosler Partitions, give them a whirl, or buy a 20 round box or two if you cannot be bothered buying at least 50 bullets and experimenting with reloads (Nosler seem to sell their premium projectiles in 50s, perhaps so their costs don't seem as bad versus other quality bullet makers whom sell in the more traditional 100 piece boxes!? )..The Partitions are quite 'old' technologically but without doubt STILL do a really excellent job even at CLOSE or extended ranges due to their mixed construction in those two mentioned weights (above)..

You MAY be getting higher velocities with the .243 but then I bet thats cos you're loading at the light end of their bullet scale. But I would ONLY use the 70gr projectiles on foxes so that's an Apple vs Oranges comparison anyways...

The one thing that in my humble opinion humbles the Swede round is that virtually ALL the readily available reloading tables from the various powder manufacturers are given in mind of them being shot from old military rifles like the model M96 Mauser where chamber strengths cannot be assumed in the same resilience category as modern chambered rifles - like my Tikka t3 'Sporter'. This gives the over-riding impression that the 6.5x55SE is a relatively "slow" round, whereas in modern chamberings one can add at least another 100fps to the tabled velocities if using carefully worked up homeloads - like my Circa 2850fps with most 139/140gr projectiles.

It is a function of the American powder manufacturers in particular that produce these "low" velocity reloads in deference to the M96 Mauser rifles and yet do not (nay WILL NOT) provide reloading info for our modern, stronger chamberings in case some numpties use that data in the older military firearms, with the possibility of litigations coming their way. Surely if the tables are CLEARLY labeled that they are for use in MODERN, STRONGLY Chambered rifles ONLY, after that it's "User Beware"!!! But I have YET to see properly considered & developed higher pressure load suggestions for the 6.5x55Swede from American Powder manufacturers!!?

Anyways, if you buy a modern rifle in that chambering one can expect SIGNIFICANT gains in velocity and hence also energy figures with careful reloads when based in comparison to these regularly published tables, and these are then very MUCH MORE favourable compared to the .243 rounds, but generally with slightly HEAVIER bullets.. Think about this when you consider which to buy, and do a bit of online investigation regarding good Swede loads BEFORE you empty your wallet!!..

ATB ....... and shoot safely!
 
I also made a choice between .243 and 6.5 but it was some time ago so chose .243 on the basis that I could get off the shelf ammo for it virtually anywhere, think things have changed now and 6.5 ammo is more available so no longer such an easy choice.
 
What speed are you getting with the 70s out of interest?

Im shooting 120s out of the swede at 2850 fps, it's zeroed at 200 and is point and shoot to 225 or so.

The swede is far more versatile, provided that you don't wish to shoot really light varmint bullets and are prepared to reload, 85-160 gr available



Nosler 70g BT over 41g Varget 3546fps (Head and neck shot only for massive destruction. Will kill quickly on a heart shot but the meet damage is immense and its unlikely to leave a blood trail as its 50/50 if it exits)
 
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243 recoil energy using 100g head 8.8lb at a velocity of 8.7fps

6.5 55 recoil energy using 140g head 10.6lb at a velocity of 8.7fps

For comparison

a 308 150g is 15.8 at 11.7fpm

a 270 150g 17.0 @ 11.7
 
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243 recoil energy using 100g head 8.8lb at a velocity of 8.7fps

6.5 55 recoil energy using 140g head 10.6lb at a velocity of 8.7fps

For comparison

a 308 150g is 15.8 at 11.7fpm

a 270 150g 17.0 @ 11.7

What velocity and rifle weight?

Zero your 6.5 140 at 200 and you'll have no hold over to 225 on a 3" kill zone, change to a 120 NBT at 2860 and recoil is noticably softer than the 140s
 
I sold my 243 to buy my 6.5x55 in merkel helix...never looked back and can buy another barrel for my merkel in the future if I want too as it is changeable barrel. I find merkel straight pull the best straight pull out there
 
Wildfowler

Most votes will go to the Swede, understandable considering the UK’s general preference for wider calibres and heavier pills for small deer, with the emphasis on margins of error etc etc (still gotta shoot them in the right place though!).

When it comes to choosing between half a mil of diameter, and (realistically) up to 50gr of bullet weight, you’d think its the bullet weight that’s going to make a difference.

But it doesn’t always work like that, as the choice of bullet in the 6.5 could, if chosen poorly, result in a bullet that is considerably less effective on small animals like roe and yearling red hinds etc, than a different bullet in the .243 Winchester, particularly if the bullet chosen in 6.5 is too hard due to the very high SD they tend to have.

For me little deer like roe don’t need much killing and I’d take to them with a 6mm without a second thought... assuming I have the right bullet, like a 85gr GameKing or 100gr ProHunter. I download my .243 bullets slightly - lower mid range velocity - as I just don’t need them smashing smaller animals at warp speed in order to get the bullet to perform. It’s the warp speed close range shots with soft bullets that give the .243 Win a reputation as a meat spoiler.... and the hard bullets will just fly straight through the animal and away it runs.

In 6.5x55 I’d be careful not to drive it too fast with the heavier hard bullets, which can over penetrate, or the heavier frangible bullets that can be a recipe for big holes on small animals like roe. For smaller deer as you specify, a 120gr soft point in the mid-range velocity is all you’re ever going to need to kill cleanly and maximise recovery. The ProHunter 120gr is outstanding in 6.5mm.

Both cartridges are excellent and I’d pick up a rifle in either and know it will do the job, as long as I can control the bit that flies out the end. Projectile construction, correct velocity and good shot placement are more relevant for regular successful little deer killing and meat recovery than just 0.5mm in calibre and higher bullet weight.

(I disagree with Blobby about Partitions, driven hard I’ve seen them fly straight through light framed, thin skinned deer or antelope, e.g. springbok and impala. For me, they are a .30 cal big deer bullet.)
 
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Cheers guys! Very interesting posts. Looks like my new gun craving for a 6.5 should go ahead. Really like the sound of the 120grain. My worry is it’ll make the .270 redundant!
 
If you live in Scotland I'd stick with what you have.

If not then a 6.5is merely duplicating your 270 unless you set it up differently.

Personally I don't think 243 can be beat for roe.
 
Just to muddy the water, a 243 AI with a fast 8" twist 22" or longer barrel would close the difference between the two chamberings.
It makes sense if you want a varmint / deer rifle that will do the business at both ends of the bullet weight spectrum. from 60 through 120 grain extreme BC bullets.
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Ian
 
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