Bow hunting V Rifle hunting debate;

[LuckyEddie]

In order to make this discussion a sensible one we need to compare on an equal basis. So we are not talking about an archer taking a shot at rifle distance because we know that this is not acceptable. So we are talking about using a rifle at bow distance.

You cannot compare the weapons at the same distance as they are designed to work at different distances. Part of the reason firearms were developed was to give an army an advantage over the enemy that used bows and arrows. So you can't use the same distance.
Far better to use average distances for both weapons as this would be a better comparison.
This would then bring into play people who take shots at 300yds at deer! Not my idea of stalking but more like target practise.

Atb
Ed

 

[JTO]

Can you explain then why urban roe in scotland is a huge issue? regards wayne

I have only been to Scotland 3 times in my life, never to a town, so how am i supposed to know?
Plenty of foxes are being shot with .22 rf rifles in London gardens!
Perhaps Scottish Police attitude is the problem.

 

[John Gryphon]

We can see that most shots from archers are in high seats or blinds, where the argument of a visceral hunting experience is somewhat irrelevant.

Maybe in your school mate but here in Oz I`ll have a stab and suggest that most of the lads are bow stalkers.

 

[howa243]

South Carolina Dept of Natural Resources, 1999

@howa243,

Of the 493 animals shot with centrefire rifles, 15 were never found (because they were injured and ran too far), and a further 19 were recovered still alive after being shot. Therefore we have 34 animals wounded to a degree that resulted in them not dying a "sporting" death, or however you would want to phrase that.

At an average distance of 132 yards. Some of these folk need to spend more time on the range. None the less there is no point in this discussion comparing shots at and average of 132 yards and those at 30.

South Carolina Dept of Natural Resources, 1999


@howa243,
Bow hunting is an art, almost a spiritual pursuit for some. You just don't know what that feels like.

Struggling to think of a more pointless argument to justify the method of killing an animal.

 

[howa243]

Maybe in your school mate but here in Oz I`ll have a stab and suggest that most of the lads are bow stalkers.

Sorry not sure I understand your point. I was merely pointing out that a reason for bow hunting is the closeness to nature, the need to stalk in close. The research that I have found indicates that most are shot from blinds. I am simply suggesting that one could carry a camera or a bow or indeed a 50 cal to a blind or high seat and the experience be little different.

 

[John Gryphon]

Have a look at this Vid howa243..no treestands required. My previous reply was to your "treestands" comment.

 

[howa243]

You cannot compare the weapons at the same distance as they are designed to work at different distances. Part of the reason firearms were developed was to give an army an advantage over the enemy that used bows and arrows. So you can't use the same distance.
Far better to use average distances for both weapons as this would be a better comparison.
This would then bring into play people who take shots at 300yds at deer! Not my idea of stalking but more like target practise.

Atb
Ed

Errr no. We are talking about animal welfare. There is no other consideration here whatsoever. So at the distance one might use a bow, would any other legally available weapon be as good or better. My contention is that the answer is yes and that the statistics prove this. Jesus why dont folk just say I want to bow hunt, therefore I bow hunt and not try to make it sound effective.

 

[howa243]

Have a look at this Vid howa243..no treestands required. My previous reply was to your "treestands" comment.

Am not sure what is going on here. Do I think it possible to kill animals with an arrow? Yes I do. Can it be done humanely? Yes it can. Do some folk do it on foot? Yes they do. Is it an optimal method? Obviously not!

 

[howa243]

Have a look at this Vid howa243..no treestands required. My previous reply was to your "treestands" comment.

Oh look, I have found a video of folks hitting large animals with an arrow. It must be okay then.





Here is another. Particularly like the ones shot at 72 yards. Am guessing the animal shot in the shoulder is still running. But I thought all bow hunters only shot at restricted distances and had dogs to follow up. Bugger.

So what we know is that folks f@ck up and that animals suffer as a consequence. The way to respond to this knowledge, is to hunt with a bow. lol

I admit to being extremely animated about these videos. A good reason to make bow hunting illegal. Personally I would prosecute these folks for animal cruelty. What an earth would motivate someone to try shooting an elephant with a bow. Jesus. Ego I guess.

 

[LuckyEddie]

Errr no. We are talking about animal welfare. There is no other consideration here whatsoever. So at the distance one might use a bow, would any other legally available weapon be as good or better. My contention is that the answer is yes and that the statistics prove this. Jesus why dont folk just say I want to bow hunt, therefore I bow hunt and not try to make it sound effective.

You can't, it's like comparing a satsuma with a conference pear - both are fruit but totally different in characteristics.
Why do some people hunt with a rifle and make it feel that all other forms of hunting are ineffective? I don't hunt with a bow and probably never will but as I said before, I see where it has a place in hunting.

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Ed

 

[sauer]

You can't, it's like comparing a satsuma with a conference pear - both are fruit but totally different in characteristics.
Why do some people hunt with a rifle and make it feel that all other forms of hunting are ineffective? I don't hunt with a bow and probably never will but as I said before, I see where it has a place in hunting.

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Ed

How can you quantify that and say it’s not efffective when

a ... you don’t bloody do it or proficient at it
B... folk on here who ARE & have done so for years yet you don’t bloody listen to those who know ?


Why don’t you just admit you don’t like it ?

 

[howa243]

Why do some people hunt with a rifle and make it feel that all other forms of hunting are ineffective?
Atb
Ed

No idea,

 

[howa243]

How can you quantify that and say it’s not efffective when

a ... you don’t bloody do it or proficient at it
B... folk on here who ARE & have done so for years yet you don’t bloody listen to those who know ?


Why don’t you just admit you don’t like it ?

I think you may be missing his point.

 

[sauer]

Certainly missing yours

 

[mereside]

I have only been to Scotland 3 times in my life, never to a town, so how am i supposed to know?
Plenty of foxes are being shot with .22 rf rifles in London gardens!
Perhaps Scottish Police attitude is the problem.

You cant shoot deer with a rimfire and it is an issue that will continue pilot schemes have been run elswhere in other country's for the same reasons and it shows bowhunting workand is ethical with no distubance in areas like this, regards wayne

 

[howa243]

Certainly missing yours

lol

 

[howa243]

You cant shoot deer with a rimfire

Oh dear.

 

[LuckyEddie]

Oh look, I have found a video of folks hitting large animals with an arrow. It must be okay then.





Here is another. Particularly likes the ones shot at 72 yards. Am guessing the animal shot in the shoulder is still running. But I thought all bow hunters only shot at restricted distances and had dogs to follow up. Bugger.

So what we know is that folks f@ck up and that animals suffer as a consequence. The way to respond to this knowledge, is to hunt with a bow. lol

I admit to being extremely animated about these videos. I good reason to make bow hunting illegal. Personally I would prosecute these folks for animal cruelty. What an earth would motivate someone to try shooting an elephant with a bow. Jesus. Ego I guess.

Yeah and how many rifle stalkers have wounded a deer, especially in the late evening and lost it? Then had to go back in the morning to try and find it or even worse had to call the UKTDR team to help them locate it?
All go to show that rifle stalking isn't always effective either.

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Ed

 

[howa243]

Yeah and how many rifle stalkers have wounded a deer, especially in the late evening and lost it? Then had to go back in the morning to try and find it or even worse had to call the UKTDR team to help them locate it?
All go to show that rifle stalking isn't always effective either.

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Ed

Oh my god. Nobody said it was.

Can I just confirm that you are comparing shooting an animal at twilight with a rifle and not being able to locate it, with shooting it in broad daylight with a bow?

Why on earth are we not able to compare like with like rather than finding a situation that suits our beliefs. Amazing.

 

[shakey jake]

howa do you shoot birds with a shot gun? to those that do would a centrefire rifle not be more humane? i know im sounding like an arse but what is the difference really?
shakey