Once fired brass

Ray7756

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Just curious, I see all the time advertised " once fired brass" and I buy to make pens, but can some one tell me how you can tell its only once fired, because I reload and Unless the brass is in the correct place " marked container" i would not know the difference between once and ten times fired brass, this obviously does not mean split brass , I have seen very dirty once fired and very clean from same rifle, so would love to know how one tells the difference,,,, apart from the price,,, i recon fired is fired
Puts on tin hat and waits for flack :british::stir:
Ray
 
Most re-sizing dies for bottleneck rifle cases don't actually full length perform a re-size to the same dimensions as the factory ammunition was made at. So you can usually see, on the outside, a slight difference about one eight inch up from base of the case. Where the solid head transitions to the actual walls of the case.

This is because the re-sizing die doesn't actually size down that far and leaves that part ever so slightly a different diameter after the re-size. Often seen as a almost "ring" or shadow on the brass. Once fired brass that hasn't been re-sized won't show that tell-tale in such a sometimes very obvious appearance. It's why, BTW, so named "small base dies" and "extra small base" exist as they do size down that little bit more which is essential for some pump or auto loading sporting rifles.

The other tell tale is that some, not all, makers have a primer that often is sealed with a coloured ink. Or that is, as was Norma, actually impressed with NP on the primer. Or the primer in factory ammunition is usually (Federal, I think, for example) of one colour...yellow metal...whereas the spent primer that is now in that Federal case is white metal.

And, of course, on factory ex-military cases with crimped in primers it'll be obvious that such crimp has lost its original integrity as the original primer has been replaced by (a now spent) primer that has altered the original shape or form of that crimp.

Why is once fired more desirable than many times fired? Because with once fired the buyer knows that the case hasn't been worked and worked and worked again such that it has lost its elasticity (and so liable to splitting soon) and also that the primer pockets will still be nice and tight and not becoming loose.
 
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Most re-sizing dies for bottleneck rifle cases don't actually full length perform a re-size to the same dimensions as the factory ammunition was made at. So you can usually see, on the outside, a slight difference about one eight inch up from base of the case. Where the solid head transitions to the actual walls of the case.

I'd add, if I could edit the above, that the transition I mentioned will be there of course when the case is fired for the first time. But because the case has expanded from the inside out into a continuous chamber that embraces the entire case that this transition will be different from when the case has been sized down by the sizing die that doesn't embrace the entire full length of the case (as does the rifle's chamber). This is because the sizing die is squeezing from the outside inwards and...more to the point...the sizing die has an ending to it. Thus the "ring" that you can see at that point where of the ending of the sizing die.
 
Most re-sizing dies for bottleneck rifle cases don't actually full length perform a re-size to the same dimensions as the factory ammunition was made at. So you can usually see, on the outside, a slight difference about one eight inch up from base of the case. Where the solid head transitions to the actual walls of the case.

This is because the re-sizing die doesn't actually size down that far and leaves that part ever so slightly a different diameter after the re-size. Often seen as a almost "ring" or shadow on the brass. Once fired brass that hasn't been re-sized won't show that tell-tale in such a sometimes very obvious appearance. It's why, BTW, so named "small base dies" and "extra small base" exist as they do size down that little bit more which is essential for some pump or auto loading sporting rifles.

The other tell tale is that some, not all, makers have a primer that often is sealed with a coloured ink. Or that is, as was Norma, actually impressed with NP on the primer. Or the primer in factory ammunition is usually (Federal, I think, for example) of one colour...yellow metal...whereas the spent primer that is now in that Federal case is white metal.

And, of course, on factory ex-military cases with crimped in primers it'll be obvious that such crimp has lost its original integrity as the original primer has been replaced by (a now spent) primer that has altered the original shape or form of that crimp.

Why is once fired more desirable than many times fired? Because with once fired the buyer knows that the case hasn't been worked and worked and worked again such that it has lost its elasticity (and so liable to splitting soon) and also that the primer pockets will still be nice and tight and not becoming loose.
Many thanks for the technical explanation on how to tell once fired from other brass,, i knew there had to be a proper scientific explanation, and i really appreciate you taking the time to explain it to us,
Even after your explanation I will probably go on the SD Trust method as I have nor been let down so far,,, but I will admit that any" brass" destined to go on to shoot live quarry, I buy factory and have a blast at the range before I reload for shooting,,,, all my brass for pens is bought / donated /swapped with the guys on here, I also get as many bullets as I can this way
Cheers
Ray
 
I've added a bit extra. That explains it a little more. Other signs can be more than the one extractor mark showing that the cartridge in it's fired state has been pulled out of the chamber more than just the one time. OTOH on a rifle with a one third all around claw like a Mauser that'll not be obvious nor if the extractor has been correctly regulated so as to not interfere with the case wall in front of the rim but just the rim itself.
 
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Its all about trust
Best thing is to try and get once fired brass from friends who dont reload
Buyi g once fired brass is pot luck buddy
 
It’s one argument for buying military brass where applicable as the primers are crimped so you know if the brass has had the crimp removed it’s likely to have been reloaded.

Federal brass has blue or red sealent around the primer so it’s easy to tell. .223 and .308 fed is also crimped.

Another thing to look out for is crimp marks on the brass mouth, if the factory load had a bullet with a Cannelure that has been pressed and the brass is crimped in then the mouth picks up the ridges in the cannelure and ends up almost serrate, this being present usually means it’s not been reloaded.

Other than that the most obvious sign of reloading is the brass has been well chamfered. Some factory loads have a slight chamfer but most reloaded brass has a more marked chamfer so if your once fired turns up chamfered you’ve likely not got once fired. Unless someone’s gone to the effort of doing all the prep and then not loading the brass.

This of course could be trimmed off so really other than military and federal, plus a few others, ppu hornet for example, with sealed primers it is all down to trust.

I’ve been stitched up on more than one occasion with multi fired brass on here and other forums, the response is always ‘oh I got it from a mate who said it was once fired’. Annoys the hell out of me.

That said I’ve just bought 460 pieces of sako Creedmoor brass for £100 from a very genuine bloke and That’s definitely once fired and a bit of a bargain!
 
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