Front page of today's Times

[CarlW]

Military‑style firearms for sale in British shops

Weapons similar to those used by the Christchurch mass murderer are legally on sale in Britain, despite the government’s boast that gun laws are the toughest in the world.Semi-automatic shotguns, some of which are designed to look like AK47 assault rifles, can be bought online and from gun dealers a

www.thetimes.co.uk

 

[finnbear270]

Ripples on the pond will reach every country.

 

[8x57]

Military‑style firearms for sale in British shops

Weapons similar to those used by the Christchurch mass murderer are legally on sale in Britain, despite the government’s boast that gun laws are the toughest in the world.Semi-automatic shotguns, some of which are designed to look like AK47 assault rifles, can be bought online and from gun dealers a

www.thetimes.co.uk

Nice to see that The Times at least is maintaining the high standard of journalism that we have come to expect from such an esteemed British institution.

Where do we buy these high powered shotguns online, and if I don't want a high powered one what exactly would constitute a low powered shotgun?

 

[Klenchblaize]

There's that key word again:

"LOOK"

K

 

[Hereford]

Available to buy online.... ok...

‘Acceptable’ reason to own....

In my experience, a lot of folk new to the sport buy and try these for practical and then they end up on the 2nd hand rack as they’re crap! And then they go back to Benelli or Mossberg who make the proper tools for the discipline.

Again - no one in the media asking for or reporting the number of legally held firearms being used for criminal purposes? (not including airsoft & imitation, please!).

 

[VSS]

And cars are still allowed on our roads, despite all the deaths, injuries and pollution! It beggars belief.

 

[User00025]

And cars are still allowed on our roads, despite all the deaths, injuries and pollution! It beggars belief.

And one or two on here still want to fly abroad for their hols after Brexit. Deary me, think of the crashes and pollution millions of air miles cause.

 

[finnbear270]

Benelli ............ wonder how the ten round tube will fare now?

 

[Old melv]

On BBC Breakfast this morning a former journalist Phil Hall was talking about this multi shot semi auto shotguns readily available to buy online. Easy to convert a semi auto shotgun to high capacity rifle. Laws not keeping pace with a avalibilty of this new breed of gun.
No mention of the need for certification no mention of FAC for semi autos with more than 2 cartridge capacity in the magazine. No mention of demonstrating a need/ reason to own such a gun.
Just jumping on the band wagon lazy journalism not accurate and scare mongering.
I have emailed the BBC to complain but doubt that will achieve much.

 

[Highlandsjohn]

I expect basc would want to repudiate that. john

 

[AN DU RU FOX]

****head next door to me drives an artic all week!! gets rat arsed every weekend.

 

[Orion]

I expect basc would want to repudiate that.

Admire your sense of humour!

 

[Zetter]

Having read the article nice to see one of the usual suspects throwing his fellow shooters under the bus as long as it doesn't affect the shooting he likes. The gun control network are always amusing they appear to be three people operating out of a shed somewhere.

 

[enfieldspares]

Truth is we are all in borrowed time since the time most MPs ceased, themselves, to own pistols (including revolvers) and rifles. Cameron at least was/is a deer stalker.

But I doubt there's few in the HoC who ever were pistol shooters...nor is anyone else much born after, say, 1970.

The last class of weapon to go will be SBS and OU shotguns but anything else I think will be lost in my lifetime...I was born in 1957. Not necessarily by prohibition but by attrition and loss of rifle ranges to urban development.

Indeed current Home Office rules on shooting clubs for s1 weapons seen designed, almost, anyway to stop newcomers entering the sport unless there's already a strong family relationship or friendship bond.

Those that are members of shooting clubs using s1 weapons look around. How many of your fellow members are under fifty years old? How many under thirty years old?

 

[potshotpat]

The Quote is correct. Death by a Thousand cuts.

 

[gonzo]

Both of my clubs have a good number of youngsters. Mostly on the airgun side of things. And a reasonable showing on the FAC side for the under 50's.

But all hobbies and clubs have a greater percentage of older members. Other than the kicking/hitting a ball about type thing.

I agree that getting into shooting is onlyreally viable through friends and family. Apart from the HO requirements for clubs, it is the limitation on most clubs that club guns are only going to be available on certain days. So you need a friend to bring toys and let you shoot all their ammo off.

 

[Pedro]

Depends where you are, although it seems harder than ever to get and keep rifles, I am a member of two pheasant syndicates. Neither of them are really wanting for potential members. There's one where the membership is, on average in their early 60's and the other where it'll be more like 45-ish. Both have youngsters that come and one of them has a few in their 20's. So it's not all doom and gloom. The main problem we have is the city-centric parliament that less and less have country dwellers in it.

But having said that the average age of gun users is pretty old, you have to take into account that it's something that you might have been involved with as a kid, but went away from as a young adult when jobs, lurve, kids, house, etc. takes up all your time and money. Then, in middle age, when financial and time pressures ease a little and the kids have flown the nest, it's often something you return to.

 

[JabaliHunter]

Military‑style firearms for sale in British shops

Weapons similar to those used by the Christchurch mass murderer are legally on sale in Britain, despite the government’s boast that gun laws are the toughest in the world.Semi-automatic shotguns, some of which are designed to look like AK47 assault rifles, can be bought online and from gun dealers a

www.thetimes.co.uk

Can't read it all because of the pay wall. But...
What a load of bollocks....

 

[User00006]

More in Times today. Headline: "Shooting group in military arms row to lose charitable status." Says charity commission is examining whether the UK Practical Shooting Assoc had a legitimate claim to act in a charitable manner. Claims the CC has said:" Shooting cannot be considered a sport for the purpose of charitable status."

 

[25 Sharps]

Benelli ............ wonder how the ten round tube will fare now?

Not a fair comparison, same as comparing underlever rifles to semi auto, lever release or MARS; yes they can be unloaded (shot) very quickly but take longer to reload than a quick mag change which could make the difference in a mass shooting situation