Failure to renew???
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I can’t believe how many people are suggesting the OP should have sent reminders and change up mails - that’s not the system, you apply and that’s it - it’s an electronic system, as paying customers we shouldn’t have to send change up correspondence and baby the firearms licensing through the process!
You don’t have to do that with any other official document (passport, Droving license etc.) so why all the hoop jumping for a firearms license?
Absolute nonsense.
You have a paper trail that shows you applied on time and followed the ridiculous system they use - they didn’t fulfil their end of the process and so they should have to jump through the hoops now to ensure you receive the service you are entitled to.
What part of this process should take this long? It’s not even that high a number of people in the population that hold forearm certs, I can understand a passport delay due to the whole country having them but an FAC? It should be a case of following the checks, reading the notes and ticking a few boxes.
You don’t have to do that with any other official document (passport, Droving license etc.) so why all the hoop jumping for a firearms license?
Absolute nonsense.
You have a paper trail that shows you applied on time and followed the ridiculous system they use - they didn’t fulfil their end of the process and so they should have to jump through the hoops now to ensure you receive the service you are entitled to.
What part of this process should take this long? It’s not even that high a number of people in the population that hold forearm certs, I can understand a passport delay due to the whole country having them but an FAC? It should be a case of following the checks, reading the notes and ticking a few boxes.
Don’t forget with increased fees we were promised more staff and training … really worked hadn’t it
Smellydog
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Don't forget the narrative to deter public legit firearm ownership and the generic hidden agenda to suppress licenses that permeates any government or public sector managed by socialists, wokes and most likely, vegans!
Oh dear
Bo Diddley
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Drovers taking turkeys to Smithfield market... fully licensed and complying with the simple laws of the day...
I get the feeling we in the shooting community are turkeys walking to our demise...
I am confident it wouldn't come to that.
This. I nearly came a cropper on this but they prioritised my application and I got it just two days before expiry. Ring them - don’t just email - and become a real, reasonable person. If that doesn’t work, lodge your guns and get stroppy but polite in writing including your MP.
Jeff8861
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In this case you are left with no choice but to lodge guns. You cant take them to the policevstation in a cabinet you cant give keys to a solicitor. Comments like this are not helpful and deflect focus. Fld can issue you with an extention or section 7 there and then. They can update nfms then post out cert. They can issue you one in person at the station a feo can drop you one off.
Section 7 was used extensively throughout and after covid they had to they had no other way of dealing with the issues at the time. Fld dont have to issue you with a section 7. However they cant use the excuse of a backlog or failures by their administration. As mentioned they have used section 7 widely previously this sets a president. The home office updated guidance to limit the use of section 7. Some fld as with all licensing issues suit the policy to suit their needs. They dont want to look bad in the stats table.
Here is a letter challenging the decision if the refusal is soley based on backlog and administration delays. Hope this helps.
I write to formally challenge the decision (or stated position) that a Section 7 authority cannot be issued due to firearms licensing backlog, and that I must instead lodge my firearms elsewhere.
Background I submitted my renewal application within the statutory renewal period, prior to the expiry of my firearm certificate. I was subsequently granted an 8-week extension by the Constabulary. Despite full compliance on my part, my renewal has not been determined due solely to licensing backlog and administrative delay. I have now been informed that a Section 7 authority will not be issued for this reason and that I must lodge my firearms with a third party.
At no point has any issue been raised regarding my suitability, security arrangements, or public safety.
Legal and procedural position
The position communicated to me is not supported by law or guidance.
A Section 7 authority exists specifically to prevent lawful certificate holders from being unfairly prejudiced where continued possession becomes unlawful through no fault of their own, including where delay is attributable to the police.
Backlog or resourcing issues do not amount to a lawful basis to refuse consideration of a Section 7 authority. To do so constitutes:
Unlawful fettering of discretion Procedural unfairness Irrational decision-making A failure to have proper regard to Home Office Firearms Guidance
Further, a public authority must not benefit from its own delay. Refusing a Section 7 authority on the basis of police backlog, while simultaneously relying on that backlog as the cause of the problem, is internally inconsistent and legally vulnerable.
Disproportionality of forced lodging
Requiring me to lodge my firearms elsewhere is:
Disproportionate where secure storage already exists An unnecessary interference with peaceful enjoyment of possessions Potentially costly and prejudicial Entirely avoidable through the lawful use of Section 7 authority
This approach appears driven by administrative convenience rather than lawful necessity.
What I am requesting
I formally request that firearms licensing:
Reconsider my application for a Section 7 authority on its individual merits, without reliance on backlog as a reason for refusal
Section 7 was used extensively throughout and after covid they had to they had no other way of dealing with the issues at the time. Fld dont have to issue you with a section 7. However they cant use the excuse of a backlog or failures by their administration. As mentioned they have used section 7 widely previously this sets a president. The home office updated guidance to limit the use of section 7. Some fld as with all licensing issues suit the policy to suit their needs. They dont want to look bad in the stats table.
Here is a letter challenging the decision if the refusal is soley based on backlog and administration delays. Hope this helps.
Dear Sir or Madam,
I write to formally challenge the decision (or stated position) that a Section 7 authority cannot be issued due to firearms licensing backlog, and that I must instead lodge my firearms elsewhere.
Background I submitted my renewal application within the statutory renewal period, prior to the expiry of my firearm certificate. I was subsequently granted an 8-week extension by the Constabulary. Despite full compliance on my part, my renewal has not been determined due solely to licensing backlog and administrative delay. I have now been informed that a Section 7 authority will not be issued for this reason and that I must lodge my firearms with a third party.
At no point has any issue been raised regarding my suitability, security arrangements, or public safety.
Legal and procedural position
The position communicated to me is not supported by law or guidance.
A Section 7 authority exists specifically to prevent lawful certificate holders from being unfairly prejudiced where continued possession becomes unlawful through no fault of their own, including where delay is attributable to the police.
Backlog or resourcing issues do not amount to a lawful basis to refuse consideration of a Section 7 authority. To do so constitutes:
Unlawful fettering of discretion Procedural unfairness Irrational decision-making A failure to have proper regard to Home Office Firearms Guidance
Further, a public authority must not benefit from its own delay. Refusing a Section 7 authority on the basis of police backlog, while simultaneously relying on that backlog as the cause of the problem, is internally inconsistent and legally vulnerable.
Disproportionality of forced lodging
Requiring me to lodge my firearms elsewhere is:
Disproportionate where secure storage already exists An unnecessary interference with peaceful enjoyment of possessions Potentially costly and prejudicial Entirely avoidable through the lawful use of Section 7 authority
This approach appears driven by administrative convenience rather than lawful necessity.
What I am requesting
I formally request that firearms licensing:
Reconsider my application for a Section 7 authority on its individual merits, without reliance on backlog as a reason for refusal
Rake Aboot
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Perhaps you were too quiet about it.
I’d have bawled them out on the phone every day , and as an aside, your storage bill should be sent to them as well.
God we put up with far too much nowadays
I’d have bawled them out on the phone every day , and as an aside, your storage bill should be sent to them as well.
God we put up with far too much nowadays
This 100%
Be nice if you could speak to a real person. I suspect they would need a full time receptionist for renewal complaints. Beds/Cambs/herts just have an online contact form & it`s not easy getting hold of the feo, if you do happen to have a number for them either.
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