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Don’t know enough about it to form an opinion but if you’d like to fill me in quickly I’m sure I would have an answer you wouldn’t like .
 
CarlW said:
I think most of 'em have got you two fellas on the 'ignore' setting, haven't they...? :rofl:
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Indeed mate, wouldn't be worth coming on here if they weren't I'm afraid. Fed up with being openly insulted and listening to the same old crap about the DSC system being a money making scam, when actually many of the agencies that provide it barely scrape even and sometimes run at a loss! The system was created to promote deer welfare along with safety and food hygiene - NOT money!
Anyone that doesn't believe that gun ownership and use with regard to training and qualification isn't being scrutinised right now is being rather naïve.
The sad thing is, that some of those that decry training and qualification are total hypocrites that actually posses the qualifications! The cynic in me can't help but think they are just trying to put others off knowing full well that they will reap the benefits when qualification turns from voluntary to compulsory which it undoubtedly will in the near future.
There are a few sad individuals on this site now that hold court to a bunch of mainly novices that are prepared to listen to their nonsense. There used to be some very knowledgeable and experienced people on here, but most have had enough and moved on to various Facebook groups.
As usual, a small minority spoil it for the majority and seem to go unchecked whilst active membership continues to dwindle.
MS
 
foxdropper said:
Why is it, it only applies to deer when we have umpteen gun related field sports?
There is no official training for lamping, a far higher degree of skill needed and safety paramount, more so than daylight deer stalking yet anybody with a firearm and permission can do it unchallenged and rightly so.
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You make a fair point above as does Tim243 when observing the disconnect that is the ethics applied to deerstalking as distinct from foxstalking.

The counter argument would probably run along the lines of the BDS being a charity with defined deer welfare remit as distinct from one that also covers Vulpes vulpes. Were there a British Fox Society (BFS) I can't see how they could avoid promoting DMQ-like Best Practice for fox control and indeed some kind of closed season!

I'm sure BACS could come up with a Lamping Certificate (LCL1) if you speak to them nicely!

K
 
Monkey Spanker said:
Indeed mate, wouldn't be worth coming on here if they weren't I'm afraid. Fed up with being openly insulted and listening to the same old crap about the DSC system being a money making scam, when actually many of the agencies that provide it barely scrape even and sometimes run at a loss! The system was created to promote deer welfare along with safety and food hygiene - NOT money!
Anyone that doesn't believe that gun ownership and use with regard to training and qualification isn't being scrutinised right now is being rather naïve.
The sad thing is, that some of those that decry training and qualification are total hypocrites that actually posses the qualifications! The cynic in me can't help but think they are just trying to put others off knowing full well that they will reap the benefits when qualification turns from voluntary to compulsory which it undoubtedly will in the near future.
There are a few sad individuals on this site now that hold court to a bunch of mainly novices that are prepared to listen to their nonsense. There used to be some very knowledgeable and experienced people on here, but most have had enough and moved on to various Facebook groups.
As usual, a small minority spoil it for the majority and seem to go unchecked whilst active membership continues to dwindle.
MS
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There’s some sad individuals that’s for sure .....
especially those who think everyone’s a novice but them .... thank you oh wise one ,
 
Monkey Spanker said:
Indeed mate, wouldn't be worth coming on here if they weren't I'm afraid. Fed up with being openly insulted and listening to the same old crap about the DSC system being a money making scam, when actually many of the agencies that provide it barely scrape even and sometimes run at a loss! The system was created to promote deer welfare along with safety and food hygiene - NOT money!
Anyone that doesn't believe that gun ownership and use with regard to training and qualification isn't being scrutinised right now is being rather naïve.
The sad thing is, that some of those that decry training and qualification are total hypocrites that actually posses the qualifications! The cynic in me can't help but think they are just trying to put others off knowing full well that they will reap the benefits when qualification turns from voluntary to compulsory which it undoubtedly will in the near future.
There are a few sad individuals on this site now that hold court to a bunch of mainly novices that are prepared to listen to their nonsense. There used to be some very knowledgeable and experienced people on here, but most have had enough and moved on to various Facebook groups.
As usual, a small minority spoil it for the majority and seem to go unchecked whilst active membership continues to dwindle.
MS
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So we all bow down the likes of you then mate ,sorry aint happening .If your referring to me have quals then do a bit more homework mate .All I Have is the deer and small game hygiene cert and full insurance which incidentally dosnt ask for DSC either .Membership is actually rising on here mate probably thanks to me and Jimbo telling it as it is ,no arse licking ,straight talk and unbiased .Probably get locked now by the bed wetting brigade .
If and when the quals become legally necessary then I will do them but until that day be sure I will call it as I see it .
There are still knowledgeable chaps on here contributing but you probably choose to ignore it up on that high horse you rode in on .
If it’s yes men you want then feel free to join those fake book groups you mention .
Feel another blocking coming on .
 
foxdropper said:
If on the other hand Jimbo has the quals then me and him might have issue ,Cant stand bull**** .
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I do have Dsc 1 got it many years ago in order to get an fc lease , to be honest I wish I’d not bothered the pro stalker who showed me years ago taught me much more than the course ever could I refuse to do Dsc 2 and even if it becomes compulsory will not
ID sooner warn people against being pressured into taking the course like I was , it’s not helped me get more stalking all the ground I have there’s never been mention of quals ( packed in with the fc lease after a season )
 
foxdropper said:
So we all bow down the likes of you then mate ,sorry aint happening .If your referring to me have quals then do a bit more homework mate .All I Have is the deer and small game hygiene cert and full insurance which incidentally dosnt ask for DSC either .Membership is actually rising on here mate probably thanks to me and Jimbo telling it as it is ,no arse licking ,straight talk and unbiased .Probably get locked now by the bed wetting brigade .
If and when the quals become legally necessary then I will do them but until that day be sure I will call it as I see it .
There are still knowledgeable chaps on here contributing but you probably choose to ignore it up on that high horse you rode in on .
If it’s yes men you want then feel free to join those fake book groups you mention .
Feel another blocking coming on .
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So, you are in fact a hypocrite as you do in fact have qualifications to enable you to sell deer! You must also be registered as a food business which is in itself another qualification!
Jimbo1984 once said he held an FC lease which requires him to have DSC 2 so he is clearly lying about one or the other?
I've been on this site for well over 10 years, freely giving help and advice in many forms to those that request it, but just lately it is becoming rather tiresome to the point where I can no longer be bothered due to a few idiots that are no more than keyboard warrior trolls. Somebody once told me not to bother arguing with idiots as they merely drag you down to their level, and then beat you with experience!
Well done! You have also now qualified for my ignore list.
MS
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Monkey Spanker said:
So, you are in fact a hypocrite as you do in fact have qualifications to enable you to sell deer! You must also be registered as a food business which is in itself another qualification!
Jimbo1984 once said he held an FC lease which requires him to have DSC 2 so he is clearly lying about one or the other?
I've been on this site for well over 10 years, freely giving help and advice in many forms to those that request it, but just lately it is becoming rather tiresome to the point where I can no longer be bothered due to a few idiots that are no more than keyboard warrior trolls. Somebody once told me not to bother arguing with idiots as they merely drag you down to their level, and then beat you with experience!
Well done! You have also now qualified for my ignore list.
MS
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Was Dsc 1 required at the time son ( Dsc 2 min is a relatively new requirement ) b ut being a deer guru I would’ve thought you’d have known that? ............... there you go you just learned something ! Who said you need courses to learn !
 
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Ps we all thank you so much for your advice wise one much appreciated ... perhaps you should start your own site called Dsc warrior ? I’m sure people will flock to it for your wisdom ...
 
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Monkey Spanker said:
So, you are in fact a hypocrite as you do in fact have qualifications to enable you to sell deer! You must also be registered as a food business which is in itself another qualification!
Jimbo1984 once said he held an FC lease which requires him to have DSC 2 so he is clearly lying about one or the other?
I've been on this site for well over 10 years, freely giving help and advice in many forms to those that request it, but just lately it is becoming rather tiresome to the point where I can no longer be bothered due to a few idiots that are no more than keyboard warrior trolls. Somebody once told me not to bother arguing with idiots as they merely drag you down to their level, and then beat you with experience!
Well done! You have also now qualified for my ignore list.
MS
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Being a hypocrite implies I do one thing and say another ,Ive openly said I have those quals,never denied that .
It’s the whole point about necessity mate .
If I was nearer to Scotland there would be no doubt I’d do the Dsc courses just to jump through those hoops needed but here in the South I can go about my passion without said paper .
This may change in the future but until that day I have a firearms certificate that says deer and alq .
There’s no doubt you have imparted some knowledge over the years and your probably getting tired of the same old questions being asked which is the way of these boards but to say you are arguing with idiots just shows you in the bigoted manner others seem to have on here .Your way or the highway I guess ,whereas I’m open to discussion .
You may have all the quals but better stalker ,I doubt it .A looker downer ,most definitely .
Loosing tabs of who’s blocked me now .
 
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Before this thread descends into handbags at dawn I think we can all agree that wether we have a DSC or not, IF the time came that they were a necessity to continue the sport we enjoy, they would be done.
Let's also not forget that a lot of people grew up enjoying country pursuits without certification, but others (like me) didn't have that benefit and have come into this world later in life, a DSC qualification alongside stalking experience has eased me into this world that I now very much enjoy.

Mike
 
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