MORE LIFE LOST BY SEMI AUTO

[A Guy Out West]

Hmm And Look how that has turned out . bet James Madison is spinning in his grave every time it happens

It's worked out brilliantly for the countless people that have been able to defend themselves from harm doers. You will never hear about that though on the UK news, do you? It's also seldom mentioned on our liberal controlled news stations. I do feel the frustration on this issue and sometimes I even wonder if banning all semi autos would be a good idea. Then I think it through and conclude that people will still kill each other and the antis will just use it to further their cause in banning all firearms. Over the most recent 4th of July celebration in Chicago, there were 5 people killed and 62 wounded by gunfire. I will bet you that not a single shooter had a legal gun or the legal ability to even possess a firearm or ammunition. Still they get guns and shoot each other. The reason that more of those shot in Chicago did not die is because they were shot with handguns, the shooters in TX. and OH. used rifles. Our susceptible population is being brainwashed by media sources and are turning into killers. The media brainwashing and our politicians that refuse to attack the root of the problem are to blame for this.

 

[mchughcb]

Seems to be a lot of people of anglo saxon descent under represented in knife murders in the UK and gun murders in the USA.

I think im seeing a pattern here. And the problem is the NRA.

 

[NigelM]

Are UK gun / shooting laws really over the top? Generally we get what calibres we ask for, no compulsory training or exams to sit, we can shoot as many deer as we want all year round (no "tag" system) and we can sell carcasses.
I wouldn't want it any stricter, but I think it's probably about right now. Just a few wrinkles want ironing out.

I agree...almost.

There are some big wrinkles that really need ironing out.

If I'm fit to hold 7 firearms from .17 to 30 cal why then can't I transport a friends 270 for him when he wants to fly to a venue? Surely if I can be trusted with a 300WM I should be trusted with a 270 Win. I can take his shotgun for him but not his rifle.

I absolutely agree with the good reason ruling and wouldn't have it any other way. I do get a bit frustrated that I have to be a certified member of a recognised target shooting club (that only has a 100 yard range) to hold my 1000 meter gun when all I want to do is go to Richard Utting/Orion/Roundhouse to practice and learn more about shooting at LR. If I wasn't a member of a club they would only clear me for zeroing but 150 rounds in a day doesn't really qualify as zeroing by the letter of the law.

There's not much more that frustrates me. Happy that hand guns and auto/semi auto weapons are not available as I don't believe we need them. Knives are getting a bit worrying. I have good reason to carry when stalking but dare not leave one in the car anymore. I even take it off my belt if I have to visit a petrol station on the way home from stalking in case someone gets bent out of shape.

We could do with the system being a bit more efficient. The waiting times for a licence in some places appear crazy and we could do with a better managed system.

Overall I would rather have our system that the US one, but it does need fixing in places.

 

[Fadcode]

It appears the shooter in Ohio actually shot and killed his own sister, it will probably transpire it was a family argument, and led to innocent people being killed. I still think that you can't have states making drugs legal and keeping the present gun laws, their whole legal system needs modifying to meet the needs of today's modern society.

 

[Hereford]

Seems to be a lot of people of anglo saxon descent under represented in knife murders in the UK and gun murders in the USA.

I think im seeing a pattern here. And the problem is the NRA.

When the commander in chief and the republican fundamentalist Christian backers are peddling hate towards all minorities then it’s not really surprising, is it? It used to be when a disgruntled employee was sacked from the post office; more often now it’s if you’re black, or Mexican, or gay, or want an abortion, or Muslim.... Be careful America as Gilead is only ever just around the corner.

Like the fire triangle, if you combine carefully prepared prejudicial paranoia, angry mental instability and the means to (quite easily) obtain high capacity arms, this is the result - loss of life for those most vulnerable who’s voices are never supported, whereas the lobbying will have already started from the NRA to maintain the status quo.

 

[geordieh]

I agree...almost.

There are some big wrinkles that really need ironing out.

If I'm fit to hold 7 firearms from .17 to 30 cal why then can't I transport a friends 270 for him when he wants to fly to a venue? Surely if I can be trusted with a 300WM I should be trusted with a 270 Win. I can take his shotgun for him but not his rifle.

I absolutely agree with the good reason ruling and wouldn't have it any other way. I do get a bit frustrated that I have to be a certified member of a recognised target shooting club (that only has a 100 yard range) to hold my 1000 meter gun when all I want to do is go to Richard Utting/Orion/Roundhouse to practice and learn more about shooting at LR. If I wasn't a member of a club they would only clear me for zeroing but 150 rounds in a day doesn't really qualify as zeroing by the letter of the law.

There's not much more that frustrates me. Happy that hand guns and auto/semi auto weapons are not available as I don't believe we need them. Knives are getting a bit worrying. I have good reason to carry when stalking but dare not leave one in the car anymore. I even take it off my belt if I have to visit a petrol station on the way home from stalking in case someone gets bent out of shape.

We could do with the system being a bit more efficient. The waiting times for a licence in some places appear crazy and we could do with a better managed system.

Overall I would rather have our system that the US one, but it does need fixing in places.

We don't need hand guns and semi auto centrefire but you need a 1000 metres rifle.Yeah right

 

[geordieh]

When the commander in chief and the republican fundamentalist Christian backers are peddling hate towards all minorities then it’s not really surprising, is it? It used to be when a disgruntled employee was sacked from the post office; more often now it’s if you’re black, or Mexican, or gay, or want an abortion, or Muslim.... Be careful America as Gilead is only ever just around the corner.

Like the fire triangle, if you combine carefully prepared prejudicial paranoia, angry mental instability and the means to (quite easily) obtain high capacity arms, this is the result - loss of life for those most vulnerable who’s voices are never supported, whereas the lobbying will have already started from the NRA to maintain the status quo.

 

[mchughcb]

 

[geordieh]

When the commander in chief and the republican fundamentalist Christian backers are peddling hate towards all minorities then it’s not really surprising, is it? It used to be when a disgruntled employee was sacked from the post office; more often now it’s if you’re black, or Mexican, or gay, or want an abortion, or Muslim.... Be careful America as Gilead is only ever just around the corner.

Like the fire triangle, if you combine carefully prepared prejudicial paranoia, angry mental instability and the means to (quite easily) obtain high capacity arms, this is the result - loss of life for those most vulnerable who’s voices are never supported, whereas the lobbying will have already started from the NRA to maintain the status quo.

Or peddling common sense,if they are in the country illegally they should not be entitled to anything except deportation.If they destroy their papers and refuse to say where they come from lock them up till they do

 

[Hereford]

Or peddling common sense,if they are in the country illegally they should not be entitled to anything except deportation.If they destroy their papers and refuse to say where they come from lock them up till they do

Yeah.... but like, don’t shoot them whilst they’re shopping.

Clearly one mans common sense is another mans descent into Fascism

 

[mchughcb]

When the commander in chief and the republican fundamentalist Christian backers are peddling hate towards all minorities then it’s not really surprising, is it? It used to be when a disgruntled employee was sacked from the post office; more often now it’s if you’re black, or Mexican, or gay, or want an abortion, or Muslim.... Be careful America as Gilead is only ever just around the corner.

Like the fire triangle, if you combine carefully prepared prejudicial paranoia, angry mental instability and the means to (quite easily) obtain high capacity arms, this is the result - loss of life for those most vulnerable who’s voices are never supported, whereas the lobbying will have already started from the NRA to maintain the status quo.

I'm not so sure Trump has said or done anything that is racist. He just wants to get on with getting America growing again.

 

[sikamalc]

Its always a huge tragedy and unthinkable crime when we hear of such madness that takes the lives of completely innocent victims. SO as this is an open forum I would not want to see this thread start going the wrong way. At this terrible time our thoughts should be with the people and families that lost their lives.
Gun control in the USA is going to be an up hill task, although I am not advocating banning firearms, its the nut behind the butt that's the issue, and always will be.

 

[ileso]

Guns ,good reason!! , should be same as uk law , provide a good reason and access to ground or shooting establishment etc ,no problem, semi auto what for ?(sorry) We as responsible !!! Uk gun owners provide good reason we apply and give a reason then we have no problem ,gun ,ammo authorised end of story ,ak47 Style gun for deer stalking no ! for the range etc provide some certification, grounds for ownership good reason land club form to actually own ,AND USE !! Collector dealer etc no problem .Right to bear arms etc I agree but at least have a justified reason to process your ownership and right to bear arms

cant agree with this... so you think the whole world should have the same laws as the UK? nothing wrong with semi autos, I own a few .. never shot up a market, they are the same as any other gun. a butter knife in a lunatics hand is potentially a deadly weapon...

I am on the last few days of a 2 week holiday to the USA. Since I have been here there have been 3 “mass shootings” all with military style weapons AK47 and AR15s. If these shootings took place with bolt actioned 5 shoot mags there would be many more people walking around today than 2 weeks ago. You just have to go north of the border to Canada where mass shootings are almost unheard of. It is almost impossible to get a military self loading rifles there. There is licensing system similar to the rest of the democratic world where licenses are given where it can be shown the the applicant has a reason to possess a particular firearm - hunting, target shooting etc not just because they can have one. People kill people but it is naive in the extreme to think that almost unlimited access to all types of firearms designated to be used on the battlefield isn’t a major factor in the number of gun deaths here.

most people think the US has unlimited access to all types of firearms.. they dont. In the US you cant just go out and buy a military weapon.... a military 'style' semiauto is neither a military weapon nor more dangerous than a browning BAR battue that is commonly used for hunting in Europe.

.. actually the only place I can think of that has easily accessible automatic military weapons for civilians is switzerland...

 

[kenbro]

I agree...almost.

There are some big wrinkles that really need ironing out.

If I'm fit to hold 7 firearms from .17 to 30 cal why then can't I transport a friends 270 for him when he wants to fly to a venue? Surely if I can be trusted with a 300WM I should be trusted with a 270 Win. I can take his shotgun for him but not his rifle.

I absolutely agree with the good reason ruling and wouldn't have it any other way. I do get a bit frustrated that I have to be a certified member of a recognised target shooting club (that only has a 100 yard range) to hold my 1000 meter gun when all I want to do is go to Richard Utting/Orion/Roundhouse to practice and learn more about shooting at LR. If I wasn't a member of a club they would only clear me for zeroing but 150 rounds in a day doesn't really qualify as zeroing by the letter of the law.

There's not much more that frustrates me. Happy that hand guns and auto/semi auto weapons are not available as I don't believe we need them. Knives are getting a bit worrying. I have good reason to carry when stalking but dare not leave one in the car anymore. I even take it off my belt if I have to visit a petrol station on the way home from stalking in case someone gets bent out of shape.

We could do with the system being a bit more efficient. The waiting times for a licence in some places appear crazy and we could do with a better managed system.

Overall I would rather have our system that the US one, but it does need fixing in places.

NigelM,
You write a lot of sensible stuff, but, it disappoints me that you say you’re happy that handguns and semi autos are not available, because YOU don’t think we need them.
Let’s stick together for shooting, period.
Regards,Ken.

 

[Hereford]

I'm not so sure Trump has said or done anything that is racist. He just wants to get on with getting America growing again.

Just checking, that is sarcasm?

 

[tozzybum]

Another terrible 2 incidents in a long list,and most have already covered the main issues ie not gun control per seh ,but control of access by people who shouldnt be allowed anywhere near firearms .The problems of non mental health controls and free use of meds <care in the community> allow many to go about their daily lives with issues and problems unknown to those selling firearms and other weapons .
Until mental health is seen as a reason not to be allowed firearms then unstable people will have access to heavy firepower and in a similar way that police here interpret the home office guidelines to suit their own agenda different states have different laws to suit their needs .
Could a federal law on firearms control for people be the start of some common sense and begin the end of this horror ,or once again despite the deaths and suffering would the dinosaurs of the NRA get on their high horse and put the stops on this .Not advocating banning firearms but putting peoples lives over historical semantics

 

[Orion]

We don't need hand guns and semi auto centrefire but you need a 1000 metres rifle.Yeah right

Yes, of course ‘sniper rifles’ are well below the anti’s radar!

 

[Bavarianbrit]

Are UK gun / shooting laws really over the top? Generally we get what calibres we ask for, no compulsory training or exams to sit, we can shoot as many deer as we want all year round (no "tag" system) and we can sell carcasses.
I wouldn't want it any stricter, but I think it's probably about right now. Just a few wrinkles want ironing out.

Only a few wrinkles I agree but they seem rather unnecessary to me, just my personal take on it but I will not be getting on a barricade about them though.

 

[stubear]

This is the reality;

Someone gets stabbed - "That guys a psycho!"
Someone gets run over - "That guys a psycho!"
Someone gets blow up with a home made bomb - "That guys a psycho!"
Someone gets shot - "GUN CONTROL! WE NEED GUN CONTROL!"

Stop doing the politicians job for them. We all know its not the law abiding that are the issue.

The reality is there are whack jobs out there, there will always be whack jobs out there and those whack jobs will always kill people. And if you think you can ban your way to safety, tax your way into prosperity and legislate your way to morality then you have even less of a grip on human nature then the aforementioned whack jobs.

As an addendum;

 

[mchughcb]

Another terrible 2 incidents in a long list,and most have already covered the main issues ie not gun control per seh ,but control of access by people who shouldnt be allowed anywhere near firearms .The problems of non mental health controls and free use of meds <care in the community> allow many to go about their daily lives with issues and problems unknown to those selling firearms and other weapons .
Until mental health is seen as a reason not to be allowed firearms then unstable people will have access to heavy firepower and in a similar way that police here interpret the home office guidelines to suit their own agenda different states have different laws to suit their needs .
Could a federal law on firearms control for people be the start of some common sense and begin the end of this horror ,or once again despite the deaths and suffering would the dinosaurs of the NRA get on their high horse and put the stops on this .Not advocating banning firearms but putting peoples lives over historical semantics

Who makes that decision? But in anycase for everyone who tells the USA what they should do, maybe they should look in their backyard. If you already hold a firearms licence what is the issue with owning whatever the hell you like instead of complaining en masse about how many slots you have available?