With the number of breaches of the Firearms Act 1968 that HADs can be exposed to in a normal set of events it is crucial that we know how we stand at all times especially now IMHO
ADVICE FROM HAMPSHIRE POLICE
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The only thing stopping me from doing deer management is that no dealers are taking deer right now.
But I am still doing pest control every day as its lambing
But I am still doing pest control every day as its lambing
CarlW
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Dentists supposed to be closed for all except emergencies.
Ah ok. Had assumed they classed as per opticians. I suppose having toothache won’t kill you but walking over a cliff might ....
JabaliHunter
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Ok, just to play devil's advocate -
Would it be more terrible than going out for HAD, getting Covid-19 from someone who happened to also be at the scene, getting admitted to hospital, and tying up a bed that could otherwise have been used for someone who contracted Covid-19 in a care home because they couldn't physically practice social-distancing? I'll leave that for the philosophers to answer...
Like I said, just paying devil's advocate. I'm just as ****ed off at not being able to get out stalking - and trout season has been open for 15 days now too
sparky9
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Interesting, I haven't been called out for months. Starting to think they had removed me.
Roestalker39
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I work in the steel industry were still very much open as usual ....
Playing the devil's other advocate:Ok, just to play devil's advocate -
Would it be more terrible than going out for HAD, getting Covid-19 from someone who happened to also be at the scene, getting admitted to hospital, and tying up a bed that could otherwise have been used for someone who contracted Covid-19 in a care home because they couldn't physically practice social-distancing? I'll leave that for the philosophers to answer...
Like I said, just paying devil's advocate. I'm just as ****ed off at not being able to get out stalking - and trout season has been open for 15 days now too
1. Just how the hell is anyone supposed to be able to catch Covid out stalking?
2. Pretty much all forms of shooting live quarry at this time of year are necessarily essential - otherwise it wouldn't comply with General Licences. People may come to regret deciding that the protection of crops, forestry or the environment are non-essential when some turd like Packham turns round next year and starts a legal challenge against all shooting on the basis that lots of shooters all agreed that it wasn't necessary to shoot animals.
3. The argument that shooting now is a burden on emergency services is nonsense. Shooting and stalking are very safe activities with a low accident rate. You're much more likely to have an accident or event requiring an ambulance at home.
Having had Covid in the family, i absolutely agree that we shpuld all do whatever we can to stop it spreading, but to avoid activities that pose no plausible risk whatsoever achieves nothing except to shorten the length of time for which a national lockdown is sustainable.
All very true and logical but it’s the driving to and from the shooting ground they don’t like, unless you do so on a bike or a horse.
3000 odd fines been issued now for non essential time out of lockdown.
Hornet
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Woodsmoke
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I agree. Cycling is perhaps not such a risk, but horses are pretty unpredictable at the best of times. My wife and I have decided that our horses will go unridden for the duration. Our view is that if we were to have a bad fall, it would be completely irresponsible to expect an already overstretched NHS to respond to a totally avoidable accident. Yes, we miss it dreadfully. But we all need to be as responsible as possible, and just making sure you're not taking unnecessary risks goes a long way.
@Hornet : I am extremely aware of the imperative to save lives. However, going shooting or stalking has zero effect on public safety for two reasons: A) it presents no scientifically plausible risk whatsoever of either spreading or acquiring covid and B) does not in any way increase the risk of requiring emergency services.
For those reasons, quoting an imperative to save lives as a reason not to go shooting is as relevant as stating that we should all paint ourselves violet to protect ourselves from covid. It's mumbo jumbo.
For those reasons, quoting an imperative to save lives as a reason not to go shooting is as relevant as stating that we should all paint ourselves violet to protect ourselves from covid. It's mumbo jumbo.
They may not like it, but it's not illegal. Some of the fines and arrests that have been made were clearly lunatic and in some cases have been overturned by courts. Given that a reasonable case exists for stalking or shooting being "essential", then the police have no excuse for issuing fines, and certainly no excuse for making dodgy threats about revoking certificates. It doesn't matter at all how you get there.
Sika-Hunter
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I'm sure I have seen a similar thread somewhere on this forum recently 
I hope your family member(s) are recovering well. An old friend in the village, a fit and healthy 70 year old, and a superb carpenter sadly died yesterday.
In support of your other points...
1. Indeed, and perhaps more importantly how will you infect anybody else?
2. I have just responded to an email from the GloucesterPolice HAD coordinator asking after my circumstances re. self-isolation and whether I would be happy to be called out...my response was:-
3. Regarding the extra burden on the NHS if one has an accident away from home...according to RoSPA:-"Yes, happy to be called out. I see no difficulty in maintaining social distance from the officers at the scene. “Happy" not quite the right word given the circumstances…willing?"
"More accidents happen at home than anywhere else"
Regarding the OP misinformation which is widespread on here...people have heard "only go to work if essential" and have apparently overlooked the bit about, essential because you can't take your 4 tonne lathe home to work on...and then declare incorrectly that it is only essential [front-line] work that may be continued...
“During this time of unprecedented disruption, the UK Government is not asking all businesses to shut – indeed it is important for business to carry on. Only some non-essential shops and public venues have been asked to close.”
Reducing the spread of respiratory infections, including COVID-19, in the workplace
Public health principles for reducing the spread of respiratory infections, including COVID-19, in the workplace.
Alan
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I have some sympathy with this argument and again the Police statement, while heart-felt and intended to be helpful, is in fact no less ambiguous as all others IMHO:
"With regards pest and vermin control and deer management by firearm or shotgun certificate holders, this activity should only continue if it is essential in preventing such things as crop damage or harm to livestock."
And remember a wood/forest is a crop as is a small Estate' s vegetable & herb garden.
K
JabaliHunter
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It wasn’t about stalking - it was about HAD, which can easily involve meeting people on the road before and after
Stalker62
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Forgive me if I have misunderstood you.
In the case of any animal (any animal) suffering and in need of dispatch (nonsense word meaning killing) disposal is a matter of complete indifference to me.
The only thing that matters to me is the alleviation of suffering and absolutely nothing should stand in the way of that.
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