Practical plus fours/breeks, (and the stag of a lifetime)

Here is a two-part write-up for you. The first is a practical write-up of my search for a solution to trousers for stalking on the Scottish hill. The second is testing my solution on said hill, which resulted in taking the stag of a lifetime, a stag which would normally have been left, but who got himself injured and thus needed to be dispatched.

The problem of Scottish hill trousers
First, before you troll me or get upset, I'm not saying I have the answers for anyone else, and I'm not criticising anyone else's solution to what to wear up the hill. This is just what works or doesn't, for ME.

Here are the things I've tried that worked okay, but had issues I wanted to address:
  • Traditionally wool plus fours. The traditional solution and they generally work pretty well (shed rain, nice and insulating etc) and look great in pictures. If they are silk lined, they work wonders. I had a great pair of Cordings that were nice and dark, fit well, silk lined so they moved and didn't scratch or rough up your skin. The downside of these is that they are expensive and I thought too much about damaging them or getting them irreversibly stained. When you do get them dirty, you have to dry clean them, that gets expensive too. As I was crawling up a burn getting soaked, I was worried more about them than the deer we were stalking, which was stupid. Here they are before heading up the hill, complete with (what I thought were) cool leather gaitors (extra credit to anyone who knows where this is) ...
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  • Another option is to use some specific technical stalking trousers of some type, made in Scandy, the US or even here. I tried a few brands. Again, they all worked pretty well, but I never found a pair that wasn't really hot and sweaty when cranking up the steep Highland hillsides. And again, the best ones are out of the reach of many recreational stalkers with eye-watering prices in three figures that don't start with a one or two.
  • In heather, the outter "quiet" layer often gets soaked, then it crawls up the trouser. You can add gaitors (I always did), but then even on cooler days your lower leg gets hot and the material bunches up around your ankle and calf. I found that really uncomfortable.
So, here is my solution:
  • A pair of surplus, used British Army No. 4 dress trousers, fairly heavy, but not too heavy wool/acrylic blend.
  • Altered by a seamstress into a plus-four configuration with velcro closures
  • Held up by braces (suspenders to my fellow Americans).
Advantages:
  • Inexpensive: I got my pair off eBay for £10 plus postage ($13), plus only £20 ($26) for the seamstress work (prices may vary, lol). You don't mind if you get them dirty or wet, they are PRACTICAL everyday breeks.
  • Comfy: not having a belt, and being a blend, they are comfy to wear. You can pair them with wool socks and a gaitor for the perfect combination.
  • Breathable: They breathe nicely, but are still insulating (even when wet) and water shedding. I wear a base layer on cooler autumn hunts, and further add an insulating layer on the hinds, tis perfect for me.
  • Still has a traditional look that is welcome on many estates.
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TO BE CONTINUED! ...
 

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I know I'm missing the main point of this thread, which appears to be mostly about trousers, but congratulations, great stag and a great opportunity seized there! And you can always come and visit the antlers in future... Nice looking rifle by the way. The trousers, I don't really have strong views on I'm afraid...

Thanks mate! Lucky day for sure. I've been back several times and seen them hanging proudly. I would have liked to have had them measured ...
 
I know I'm missing the main point of this thread, which appears to be mostly about trousers, but congratulations, great stag and a great opportunity seized there! And you can always come and visit the antlers in future... Nice looking rifle by the way. The trousers, I don't really have strong views on I'm afraid...


Thanks on the rifle as well. My .308 was off getting a new barrel so I took my plains game/elk rifle. Bit overguned in .300win, but I used controlled expansion bullets to keep the meat damage to a minimum.

Stock is African Obeche laminate from Bill Shehane's shop in North Carolina, then pill bedded with partial bedding around the recoil lug. I also added a Timney trigger set at 2.5lb. For a 300 it shoots pretty well, even with factory ammo. It looks traditional, while being totally practical and worry free. Every few years I rub it down with steel wool and throw on a coat of oi
 
Really good write up, Idahoboy and what a stag!

I have a stalk on the hill on my bucket list for sure, not least for the scenery and the company, although I'm an angler too, so a try for a salmon on the same trip would seal the deal!

I think the innovation of adapting something to your needs and using what works, is my take-away from this thread.

I often use bits of fishing gear in my hunting. The quarry don't care! I like the idea of a .300win and the confidence on the hill that must come with it...
 
I had a week grouse shooting & stalking in the Cairngorms with friends years ago & a very precise accountant from Edinburgh joined us for a couple of days & wore his kilt. When another member of the party asked the stalker if he had many guest on the hill who wore a kilt, the response was barbed diplomacy in the extreme - ‘now & again, but not proper Scotsmen’
 
That is a great stag to be sure but I just cant get over how it " stays with the Estate"
Most unusual for the estate to keep the head. Perhaps reflected in the price he was charged , don't know for sure I'm
only guessing but when you pay to stalk stags the trophy is yours.
The Jock Black I mentioned earlier shot a very large stag with a Germany client he had the antlers cast in
Fibreglass and mounted on another head ( full mounts)
The result the German client had his stag on his wall and Jock had a clone on his done by a very good taxidermist
they could not be told apart by looking at them though the one with the fibreglass antlers weighed a bit less.
 
ok bt but its a deal that I wouldn't be interested in at all.
I have never and will never pay for stalking but I always thought that the main objective when paying to stalk was to put the antlers on your own wall.
Under those deals if me I would spend my money elsewhere.....where the deer/head was mine.
 
ok bt but its a deal that I wouldn't be interested in at all.
I have never and will never pay for stalking but I always thought that the main objective when paying to stalk was to put the antlers on your own wall.
Under those deals if me I would spend my money elsewhere.....where the deer/head was mine.

Clearly you are superior in every way.
 
That is a great stag to be sure but I just cant get over how it " stays with the Estate"

A stag like that would have normally cost north of £4k in trophy fees. I paid a cull stag rate, simple as that. And I have a great picture for my wall, that I've had blown up to poster size and don't have room for antlers anyway.
 
We in Victoria the small state have 18 million acres of free public land available to anyone with a $50 buck deer licence,for us there is no need to pay to hunt deer and to see the prices quoted in the UK it makes me squirm.
I videoed a dog tucker stag tonight just before dark..any Pommy bastard that wants to come hunting with me can shoot him for a box of beer and a tank of gas ha ha.
The video will be posted in the usual off topic when DL-ed
 
We in Victoria the small state have 18 million acres of free public land available to anyone with a $50 buck deer licence,for us there is no need to pay to hunt deer and to see the prices quoted in the UK it makes me squirm.
I videoed a dog tucker stag tonight just before dark..any Pommy bastard that wants to come hunting with me can shoot him for a box of beer and a tank of gas ha ha.
The video will be posted in the usual off topic when DL-ed

Plus ... £3k flight one assumes. :british:

Surprising no one ... conditions are different in the UK and you do what you hafta do.
 
There is the adventure involved as well in hunting like no other place on earth.

I bet. One of my bucket list items is an extended trip up north for water buffalo and scrub bulls. That looks like a kick in the pants!

I've got just the medicine, a .458 Lott ...

Have you done that?
 
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