Packham call for ‘truce’ is PR spin, says BASC

Conor O'Gorman

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BASC judge Chris Packham’s call for a ‘truce with shooting’ as a ploy to grab headlines in the build up to the Glorious Twelfth.

National newspapers have this week carried articles which refer to an upcoming piece in a shooting magazine which will see the BBC presenter say that the time is right for reconciliation.

But BASC insists Packham’s actions do not support the rhetoric; as his pressure group Wild Justice continues legal action that threatens the future of shooting and the British countryside.

Garry Doolan, BASC’s deputy director of communications and public affairs, said: “What is being reported is spin by Packham. No doubt he will try to present himself as the reasonable man who offered to sit down with shooting and then had the offer thrown back in his face.

“The claims attributed to Packham in the Daily Mirror regarding pest bird control by farmers are factually incorrect and there to influence opinion against shooting. It’s a classic example of his manipulation of the facts.

“Packham will try to present to the press that he wants harmony and reconciliation, while in the background he continues to run shooting through the courts on the back of the General Licence fiasco that brought the great British countryside to its knees and threatened livelihoods.

“The reality is that there can be no talk of truce while his actions undermine conservation work, farming practices and shooting. We don’t yet know the full detail of the ‘truce’ but if it is the same message rehashed then we will struggle to find common ground.

“We’ve already had a hint of his demands within the lines of the piece in the Daily Mirror. Packham will clearly impose conditions on this ‘truce’ so ridiculous and so unworkable as to be ruinous for shooting. Indeed, they would also be ruinous for the wildlife conservation and habitats he claims so passionately to defend.

“BASC is always happy to sit with people who genuinely want to discuss the good work that takes place to support shooting, who want to engage on an evidence-based level and whose actions reinforce that message.

“But let us not forget for a moment that Packham has burned virtually every bridge he has ever had with the shooting community over the course of a ruthless and concerted campaign against the countryside. We await the full details with interest.”

 
Good stuff 👍

As Coots said, wise words indeed.

A truce AFTER ground is gained, is simply a way to formalize the new boundaries. If the truce is accepted, I fear that hostilities will soon commence and some more ground will be yielded until the next truce.

Reminds me of the old story about the person that helps an injured snake, and then the snake bites them. When the person asks why, the snake replies "because I am still a snake".
 
BASC judge Chris Packham’s call for a ‘truce with shooting’ as a ploy to grab headlines in the build up to the Glorious Twelfth.

National newspapers have this week carried articles which refer to an upcoming piece in a shooting magazine which will see the BBC presenter say that the time is right for reconciliation.

But BASC insists Packham’s actions do not support the rhetoric; as his pressure group Wild Justice continues legal action that threatens the future of shooting and the British countryside.

Garry Doolan, BASC’s deputy director of communications and public affairs, said: “What is being reported is spin by Packham. No doubt he will try to present himself as the reasonable man who offered to sit down with shooting and then had the offer thrown back in his face.

“The claims attributed to Packham in the Daily Mirror regarding pest bird control by farmers are factually incorrect and there to influence opinion against shooting. It’s a classic example of his manipulation of the facts.

“Packham will try to present to the press that he wants harmony and reconciliation, while in the background he continues to run shooting through the courts on the back of the General Licence fiasco that brought the great British countryside to its knees and threatened livelihoods.

“The reality is that there can be no talk of truce while his actions undermine conservation work, farming practices and shooting. We don’t yet know the full detail of the ‘truce’ but if it is the same message rehashed then we will struggle to find common ground.

“We’ve already had a hint of his demands within the lines of the piece in the Daily Mirror. Packham will clearly impose conditions on this ‘truce’ so ridiculous and so unworkable as to be ruinous for shooting. Indeed, they would also be ruinous for the wildlife conservation and habitats he claims so passionately to defend.

“BASC is always happy to sit with people who genuinely want to discuss the good work that takes place to support shooting, who want to engage on an evidence-based level and whose actions reinforce that message.

“But let us not forget for a moment that Packham has burned virtually every bridge he has ever had with the shooting community over the course of a ruthless and concerted campaign against the countryside. We await the full details with interest.”

You are saying just what he wants to hear!!! Playing right into his hands. Can't you see that?
Shooting yourselves in the foot again. The back foot, at that.
I've stood by BASC throughout all the mudslinging, but this might be the final straw for me.
 
BASC Why not while this interest is actually there write an open letter / invitation to said paper inviting Packham to a debate
If we can stop falling out with each other the environment and its inhabitants will all surely gain
 
BASC Why not while this interest is actually there write an open letter / invitation to said paper inviting Packham to a debate
If we can stop falling out with each other the environment and its inhabitants will all surely gain
Bad idea.
A) Who would we end up with representing fieldsports? Ahem.
B) You're dealing with an opponent who has absolutely no respect for due process or the rule of law. Compromise and reaching understanding are desirable with reasonable people. But Packham is not reasonable and is in no way prepared to compromise nor to draw a line anywhere. He may not even be able to. The man's a crackpot and the less time spent legitimising extremist crackpot, the better.
C) Any debate is completely meaningless with a man who one week says he wants to reach a truce with fieldsports participants and the next week publishes a letter lobbying the Scottish government to ban grouse shooting the next, with yet more unfounded allegations of criminal activity and environmental damage.
 
This ploy by Packham was designed to be a catch-22 for us. Not sure how else BASC could respond - they have to negate the premise of Packham’s so-called offer.
Exactly my thoughts, a very cunning move from CP, because if the shooting organisations don't engage they he will have it all over the place that he's tried to work alongside them but they refused, yet again this would be good PR for his cause.
Damd if ya do Damd if you don't kinda scenario..
 
This ploy by Packham was designed to be a catch-22 for us. Not sure how else BASC could respond - they have to negate the premise of Packham’s so-called offer.
It's not a ploy. It's a mountain out of a molehill and Packham doesn't believe any such story himself. Just go and look at his Twitterings since then.
 
Teresa May couldn’t represent you lot and she has form dealing with irreconcilable positions.
Jesus wept, but you’re going to have to stop snarling at each other and come up with an agreed compromise and an organisation to represent you
BASC has volunteered, anyone else putting their hat into the ring?
Anyone?
Thought not.
Shouting NO to every single proposal is the easy bit, so what’s your clever plan?
We’re in trouble, deeply mired in the slurry tank, time to start pulling ourselves out
I’m not a member of BASC or WJ, just tired of the infighting
 
Teresa May couldn’t represent you lot and she has form dealing with irreconcilable positions.
Jesus wept, but you’re going to have to stop snarling at each other and come up with an agreed compromise and an organisation to represent you
BASC has volunteered, anyone else putting their hat into the ring?
Anyone?
Thought not.
Shouting NO to every single proposal is the easy bit, so what’s your clever plan?
We’re in trouble, deeply mired in the slurry tank, time to start pulling ourselves out
I’m not a member of BASC or WJ, just tired of the infighting
Well said that man, couldn't agree with you more 👍🏻
Give me an organisation that works an ill be a member in a flash
 
Well said that man, couldn't agree with you more 👍🏻
Give me an organisation that works an ill be a member in a flash
Sort it out for yourself.
Pick one of the existing ones, form your own, or go solo.
But do something.
We’re neck deep in effluent and sinking fast, public opinion is well and truly against us, the current trend of using each other’s heads as stepping stones to exit the mire is likely to see us all sink without a trace.
 
I agree with BASC's summation of the issues and CP's intent, as I think I said days ago in my posts, but not totally with the response above. The way to get out of this catch- 22 is quite simply (I suggest) to agree we need to work together with RSPB but to then quote his lies back to him in obvious specifics and say that in view of his previous antaganism, untruthfulness and lack of understanding (GL's), a partnership with him or his followers would, we feel, be destined to fail but that working with RSPB to help conservation efforts on songbirds, grey partridge and many other issues would be a huge step forward and we will contact the RSPB to explore common ground for partnerships based on TRUST.
How can he get out of that ? Don't stand back and pontificate and let him destroy what would be a real initiative and once agreed, leave any publicity to RSPB because they are trusted by many. Go Direct sideline CP and explain why.
 
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