enfieldspares
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Yes. It's on the front page of today's Daily Telegraph.
Pheasant and partridge classified as species that imperil UK wildlife
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enfieldspares
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I'm waiting for campaigns promoting the rearing and releasing of grey partridge. And if we have to make a benefit out of any ban on where pheasants and redlegs might be reared and released let that be one of them.
CarlW
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I agree with you. However, lots of work for very poor success rates, by all accounts?
enfieldspares
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Yes. Nor as predictable as to where you'll find them as pheasant are either if you are planning your drives for the next day.
Here's a link to the GWCT website.
landkeeper
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And i see in the irish republic sport shooting has been deemed illegal due to covid restrictions
You can shoot vermin but not game at least for the forseeable future anyway
Be a lot of disgruntled gun club members who were looking forward to opening day tomorrow
You can shoot vermin but not game at least for the forseeable future anyway
Be a lot of disgruntled gun club members who were looking forward to opening day tomorrow
The whole thing centres around predation Carl.
We have a very intensively farmed estate, all arable. We do have grass margins and we do have some wild bird stewardship covers.
We are very heavy on foxes and winged vermin and have lost no nests to them. The big, big problem with Grey's on us is Sparrowhawks.
Pairs get established, only to have the hen (and it's always her) killed by a hen spar usually March time.
This year hasn't been too bad and although Froggy partridge seem to have late broods (not even fit to shoot sizewise yet), the Anglicans have done reasonably well apart from hawk predation again. We are all wild birds and have very few stoats or weasels. I have maybe six or seven Covey's from 5 to 18 in size but they will never expand until some form of control is allowed on Buzzards and Sparrowhawks.
As this will never happen Grey partridge will remain a rarity. And we do not shoot them!!!!!!
Donnachaidh
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I hope and pray that the shooting organisations now start to show some balls, otherwise it will mean the death of shooting by a thousand cuts (more than several of which have been administered already).
Packham has had a pretty good hit rate so far....and he isn't going to stop at this. It's no good BASC taking tame MP's shooting (they're onside already). Lawyers, Judicial Reviews and Freedom of Information requests are used by Wild Justice; we need to employ the same tactics.
Packham has had a pretty good hit rate so far....and he isn't going to stop at this. It's no good BASC taking tame MP's shooting (they're onside already). Lawyers, Judicial Reviews and Freedom of Information requests are used by Wild Justice; we need to employ the same tactics.
landkeeper
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There have to be thousands of legal types who shoot , its the likes of those who fullu understand the ins and outs of the law who are needed to help
It has taken time but I suggest all orgs now will act together if not be together, about time.
Even an RSPB report on game management and native species is positive if unhappy to be so. Willing to publish a link - its a much more detailed report than BASC's.
The elephants in the room are still farming practices and pesticide use - rather more important than pheasant shooting but thats not the point is it.
Even an RSPB report on game management and native species is positive if unhappy to be so. Willing to publish a link - its a much more detailed report than BASC's.
The elephants in the room are still farming practices and pesticide use - rather more important than pheasant shooting but thats not the point is it.
Wild Justice are having repeated success because they are using simple lawfare tactics. They are identifying areas of country sport related law which are not being enforced and pushing the government to court to ensure that the law is adhered to.
they are not asking for anything new, just current laws to be enforced. So very very easy for them.
And remember all of this comes about because of raptor persecution, and in particular Hen Harrier persecution. If the Grouse moors had hen harriers there would be no Wild Justice.
they are not asking for anything new, just current laws to be enforced. So very very easy for them.
And remember all of this comes about because of raptor persecution, and in particular Hen Harrier persecution. If the Grouse moors had hen harriers there would be no Wild Justice.
Waz77
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That's a bit like saying if they banned hunting there'd be no antis
enfieldspares
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Well I predict, that as with woodpigeons, there will be a crowdfunded Judicial Review threatened by WJ about the time that this new "licence" comes into force. That the Government hasn't implemented fully the intent of the relevant legislation with the wording of the new licence. That the Government will back down, the licence will be suspended (as with woodpigeons) and therefore no release anywhere will be permitted. There is only one way to deal with these threats and that is to run those that instigate them out of money.
baguio
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All reasonably sensible until that last statement. Sorry mudman but you're well wide of the mark with that one!
Mark Avery is a campaigning environmentalist (that’s the polite way of describing him). His whole attack on fieldsports is founded on just one thing, his perception of the killing of raptors on grouse moors, in particular hen harriers. Like wise his Wild Justice cohort Ruth Tingay of raptor persecution Scotland. Forget about Packham, he is just the mouth piece of these two. If there were Hen Harriers in abundance it is doubtful whether Wild Justice would have got the impetus to success and the supporters they obviously have. Root cause of all this is the lack of hen harriers on grouse moors.
I can see where you are coming from mudman, but sadly the raptor issue just gets used to suit the anti's aims..... considering the RSPB still use the poisoning of Red Kites by contaminated feed at a feeding station as another example of "bird crime" despite there being no evidence that anyone was deliberately poisoning birds. Grouse moors and raptor persecution are just easy targets as it's only "rich landowners" who commit this heinous crime and it's always just strange coincidence that the bodies of dead raptors just happen to be found near shooting estates by the anti's. In all my years of wandering the hills and byways of Scotland, the only carcases I ever see are those killed by cars/lorries. If there were raptors on every square hectare of moor they would still come up with some drivel to achieve their aim of getting all shooting stopped.
The more worrying point about all the original post is the question - what else is being slipped into legislation when the whole of the country and the media are focussed on Covid 19? Up here we have wee jimmy Krankie rabbiting on endlessly about Covid to divert attention away from the Salmond enquiry .... and the dismal education system ... and the financial black hole in the NHS... and Bifab ... and Ferguson marine...... and the piggy backing of anti shooting legislation (on mountain hares) by the Green wing of the SNP.
The more worrying point about all the original post is the question - what else is being slipped into legislation when the whole of the country and the media are focussed on Covid 19? Up here we have wee jimmy Krankie rabbiting on endlessly about Covid to divert attention away from the Salmond enquiry .... and the dismal education system ... and the financial black hole in the NHS... and Bifab ... and Ferguson marine...... and the piggy backing of anti shooting legislation (on mountain hares) by the Green wing of the SNP.
gerarddwatts
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Sorry, the root cause is that they just want to ban shooting. Full stop.
Mick9abf
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Correct with the exception of part of the last sentence. These people never admit anyone with their view is, has been or can be wrong, it will all be down to someone else.
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