Ban an fuel burning cars coming, time to invest in diesel.
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Rasputin
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You do realise that Offshore accounts for 30% of UK energy and has the potential for much more energy ? They dont just have to cut up forestry to achieve it.
kenbro
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Yeh,
I’ve seen ‘em queuing to plug in to charge near Mc Donald’s in Wales.
Need to have coffee and sandwhich with you and crap in the car, or lose your turn.
Ken.
I, for one, think this is a wonderful proposal by Carrie, I mean Boris. Pricing 'oiks off the road is the correct policy as we move forward to a world in which we only have poor people and the super rich. One imagines that the average family should be able to purchase one of these wonderful new, clean, green energy cars on the UBI that will be proposed later in 2021, provided they are prepared to go without a few essentials; food, clothes, for instance, for a short while. Certainly no longer than a year, or two.
Driving has become so very tiresome lately, what with the ubiquitous use of cars that are clearly three years or older, driven by working types, on the roads these days. This would improve my infrequent journeys to my estate in the north immensely. EV vehicles are much, much cleaner and so much better for our environment. Yes, it's true they do tend to poison river systems, create enormous waste problems and result in child slave-labour issues in the countries where the raw materials are sourced, but that's Africa and the last time I looked we weren't all chucking spears, what! As long as it's clean air for little Jocasta here, that's really all that matters, isn't it?
Charging shouldn't be an issue, at least not for most of us, the charging points are very affordable and here in the Cotswolds we simply got the local chappy to install a point next to the duck pond. But I imagine, if you have space in the cart lodge, you could place one there instead?
Driving has become so very tiresome lately, what with the ubiquitous use of cars that are clearly three years or older, driven by working types, on the roads these days. This would improve my infrequent journeys to my estate in the north immensely. EV vehicles are much, much cleaner and so much better for our environment. Yes, it's true they do tend to poison river systems, create enormous waste problems and result in child slave-labour issues in the countries where the raw materials are sourced, but that's Africa and the last time I looked we weren't all chucking spears, what! As long as it's clean air for little Jocasta here, that's really all that matters, isn't it?
Charging shouldn't be an issue, at least not for most of us, the charging points are very affordable and here in the Cotswolds we simply got the local chappy to install a point next to the duck pond. But I imagine, if you have space in the cart lodge, you could place one there instead?
So, in 10 years time we have to buy cars with an electric propulsion method. I suppose I could struggle by with that if I had to, but in reality only internal combustion engined cars will still be with us in numbers for another 10 years and many for longer. I am in my mid 60s. In 10 years I shall be mid 70s and hopefully still driving, but in reality could well be reaching the end of my driving life. In 20 years the odds of me still driving are fairly low. Hell, I'd be content to be alive really. So from a purely selfish viewpoint, this is an issue that will not affect me greatly. I shall look down on you with interest though.
Just bear in mind that everyone in the environmental/conservation departments sulked when the Glasgow climate change conference was canned due to CV19 and now postponed till next year.
Should they not have led the way by holding it as a virtual/video conference and save on green miles?
Just bear in mind that those making these decisions are all earning north of £50k a year and are happy to fly round the world to agree with each other that 'something must be done, our time is now!' with much fanfare from the press.
How about selling your second home that sits empty for 11 months a year, stop claiming expenses for anything you can get away with and practising what you preach?
As always those who make the rules do so with a firm confidence and understanding that everyone must abide, apart from them.
Just look at the Barnard Castle eye test or the SNP MP's wee COVID jolly to London and back by train.
Should they not have led the way by holding it as a virtual/video conference and save on green miles?
Just bear in mind that those making these decisions are all earning north of £50k a year and are happy to fly round the world to agree with each other that 'something must be done, our time is now!' with much fanfare from the press.
How about selling your second home that sits empty for 11 months a year, stop claiming expenses for anything you can get away with and practising what you preach?
As always those who make the rules do so with a firm confidence and understanding that everyone must abide, apart from them.
Just look at the Barnard Castle eye test or the SNP MP's wee COVID jolly to London and back by train.
One of the biggest problems with all green energy is storage. For example there is plenty of wind in the UK for turbines ( plenty of hot wind on here sometimes) but it doesn't always blow. So when it doesn't blow there is a shortage that needs to be supplied, usually by burning something. I saw something a few weeks ago regarding a new liquid air storage facility, I think in the UK. So excess electricity is used to compress air, which can then be stored easily and used to supplement other sources as needed. That sort of thing has to be a part of the future of energy, not just in countries like the UK, but worldwide. I just don't see batteries working on a large scale. I don't think there is a single answer to energy in the future, it will be a combination of different sources and technologies with some working in some places but not others. One thing is for certain, things will change and probably quite quickly.
Oh! and £4 billion is not going to cover anything.
Oh! and £4 billion is not going to cover anything.
enfieldspares
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Yes. I can't help alos thinking that this is a "know your place" initiative disguised as an environmental measure.
The riff-raff can have bicycles (if they can afford them) or use public transport (a misnomer as most bus operators are either foreign owned or owned by the Scotland based Souter family) and those with the money will have clear roads on which to enjoy their £100,000 electric power chaffeur driven limousines.
The 'renew' cost of the average older EV vehicle (for us peasant types) at the moment is estimated to be around £5-7k. That's on top of the purchase price. Or you could, as you say, cycle. Especially if you're a roofer; or simply work from home?
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countrryboy
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Aye it's the storage is a massive problem.
Not so bad at an individual level but at grid level is a massive problem for wind and solar.
Solar panels or mini wind turbines make a lot of sense small scale for farmers/businesses that can use a lot of it as son as produced making them more self sufficient it can still buy off the grid when needed.
I mind geography class at school and they used to talk about the bigger scottish hydro electric schemes which can easily be cranked up for peak times.
And at night they bought cheap electricity to pump water back to the top of the hill.
They really haven't thought about the practicalites in real world terms for a massive % of the population.
Esp a lot of blue collar workers moving tools equipment and materials about.
Be a long time before an electric van can match a transit or 4x4
Nearest thing to a battery u'll get. Off coarse a lot of energy wasted pushing water uphill.
Assuming they are planted in this country, don’t countries already sell co2 emission tariffs?Look on the bright side! If they are going to plant 75k hectares of trees then they will need someone to control the deer which will damage them without good deer management!
It would be better to simply not plant the trees at all. Much less co2 used if you simply fenced off the land and allowed nature to take it course. Within a few years trees would self seed and in the interim you would have a habitat for all manner of creatures as the land progressed from managed back to a semi-natural state.
enfieldspares
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Exactly. You can plant as many trees as you would like. But plant them as you might for laying out a golf course (all nicely mowed "semi-rough" or "rough" grass around them and any bits that fall off or trees that fall down removed at once on the groundsmen's tractor and trailer) and they'd effectively be almost sterile of any wildlife. If there's no "bottom" and no dropped off or fallen bits to decay for beetles and grubs, no scruffy and scrabby bits for this and that it'll look good in an aerial drone photograph for the party's next election manifesto but will be bugger all use to actually sustaining most any wildlife.
Probably.
That question is of only academic interest since the armed forces are already only equipped with derisory quantities of mechanical equipment.
Judging from the news, in another 10 years our national defence will consist mainly of some toy miniature drones and several thousand half-blind adolescent geek hackers masturbating in bunkers.
Presumably high NOx emissions and short vehicle lifeWondering on the prospects of solid fuel aka smokeless powder being used for internal combustion engines... Low emissions
Bavarianbrit
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With less cars then you might be out of work.There isn't the capacity now to charge all plug in hybrids as it is now. The carbon footprint on these battery cells is horrendous. Digging up half of Australia then shipping raw material to be refined shipping that to make batteries shopping that to make cars
I work in the motor industry and its becoming more and more then thing to have.
Basically there's too many cars on the road. Full stop.
They need to look at hydrogen cells more in my opinion
I did 50 years in the business but am glad to be off the rat race.
Rusty Gate
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Or head wind..
EV batteries rely on cobalt.
By far the world's largest producer, accounting for more than 60% of the total production of cobalt, is the DRC.
As the office of the High Commissioner of the United Nations Human Rights puts it:
"The human rights situation in the DRC continues to deteriorate. Serious violations, such as arbitrary executions, rape, torture and cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment are pervasive, committed mostly by the army, police and intelligence services."
Still, at least Islington types can applaud themselves for driving their electric vehicles and saving the planet........
By far the world's largest producer, accounting for more than 60% of the total production of cobalt, is the DRC.
As the office of the High Commissioner of the United Nations Human Rights puts it:
"The human rights situation in the DRC continues to deteriorate. Serious violations, such as arbitrary executions, rape, torture and cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment are pervasive, committed mostly by the army, police and intelligence services."
Still, at least Islington types can applaud themselves for driving their electric vehicles and saving the planet........
