Uh Oh, theym's fightin' words
Any ideas peeps ?..
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If the infection is recent then yes. Ideally it goes the other way, if your carcass DOESN'T set, you should probably bin it
If the infection is recent then yes. Ideally it goes the other way, if your carcass DOESN'T set, you should probably bin it
There's your red flags. Definitely worht checking for TB
@Oldstalker I bet that vet was Andy Holliman, a truly superb pathologist and really nice bloke
I am emphatically saying that IF a carcass does not go into rigor normally then that carcass should probably be condemned. Certainly it should be treated with huge suspicion, and were it through an abattoir it would almost certainly be condemned if it does not go into rigor. "Never say never, never say always" but plenty diseased carcasses will go into rigor. Experience will teach you the speed at which an animal will go into rigor at different temperatures - yes it varies significantly. But one should also not blast chill a carcass too quickly as one then risks "cold shortening" in the meat/muscles. By this I mean in less than a few hours. Often, by the time an animal has been extracted, transported, lardered and moved to the chiller it will have had that couple of hours. Also one carcass in a large chiller not directly in line with the draught from the evaporator unit is not going to be "blasted" with cold air. That's all.
Yes it was Andrew Holliman - superb bloke and a good teacher of practical things.
chaz243
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It defo did not go into the food chain and yes category 1 ABP so incinerated ..
Another fascinating thread - thank you all.
Is it just me, or is bTB - or at least the reporting of bTB - in deer becoming more common?
Without wishing to start yet another conspiracy theory, it would be interesting to see any correlation between the increase in reporting and COVID? Less/more disturbance of wildlife, fewer/more movements of livestock?
Or are stalkers just getting better at identifying and reporting it?
Is it just me, or is bTB - or at least the reporting of bTB - in deer becoming more common?
Without wishing to start yet another conspiracy theory, it would be interesting to see any correlation between the increase in reporting and COVID? Less/more disturbance of wildlife, fewer/more movements of livestock?
Or are stalkers just getting better at identifying and reporting it?
geoffw
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Thank you @Oldstalker and @Buchan . Every day is a school day. I've not had this issue yet but will be forewarned.
@Oldstalker , yep, mine get a progressive chill, thank you and, indeed, I had to go back with a dog on Friday night for a fallow calf shot 2hrs earlier, it was stiffening up in the cold by then, notably on the rear legs mostly.
I hope this. I've not seen anything suggesting an increase. It's vital that suspects are reported, not just to find the diseae, but to create a denominator of cases. There's no value in saying "3 cases of TB in deer last year" but huge value in "3 cases in 100 deer sampled"
I should hope that we are getting better at both seeing some of the symptoms and reporting them. We have had thirty years now of formal training of larger numbers of people being taught to identify some of the disease symptoms and that must have an effect. I learned over forty years ago from a wise Orcadian vet whilst in Aberdeenshire. ALL of what we saw there was Avian TB, frequently producing a characteristic smooth, slightly stunted, tobacco coloured antler in the roe bucks as a side effect, with some, but not mortal, emaciation.
We did not find any many dead though and the woods were swept every shoot season comprehensively. On the rare occasions we found dead deer they usually had worn teeth or were near roads and almost certainly RTAs. The only gold medal head we ever had, whilst I was there, died in an RTA with the local game dealer's van - yes Bains of Tarves!
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I think you have done exactly the right thing. There appears to be a mesenteric lymph node which has an abscess present. The other mass cut through appears next to the lymph node so my concern would be TB. What were the sub mandibular and retropharyngeal nodes like? also check bronchial/mediastinal nodes. These are where TB likes to grow. I would not put this in the food chain until APHA has given you the al clear.
chaz243
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APHA. Informed and samples taken away. Carcase ABP 1 disposed of ..
Cheers. I will post the results when I receive them (if) ...
chaz243
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Not yet . App5it can take a long time to grow a culture Will post if and when
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