Why did 6.5 Creedmoor make it relative to .260 Remington and 6.5 x 47?

NewForester

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Please, I am not trying to start another fight! I have been stalking about ten years now and am in no way an expert in stalking or firearms.

When I was getting interested in stalking, I remember reading a book by Bruce Potts who talked very highly about the .260 Remington and 6.5 x 47 Lapua as stalking calibers. I also knew that 6.5 is what a lot of long range competitors use, that it has good Sectional Density and Ballistic Co-efficient, and that the Swedes use the Swede for Moose. So, I knew 6.5mm was good.

My question is: why has the 6.5 Creedmoor appeared to make it into pretty much mainstream but not (at least to my understanding) the .260 Remington or 6.5 x 47 before it?
 
Rem killed the 260 with a twist rate that was far too slow. They failed to learn from the 244 rem aka 6mm Rem after a faster twist was adopted. As to the other I just dont know.
 
I have a 260 Rem and a 6.5 Creedmoor. I've noted the following points -
  1. The 6.5 Creedmoor is much easier to get factory ammunition for.
  2. The 6.5 Creedmoor handles longer bullets more easily, especially in magazine fed rifles.
  3. It's debatable, but I would suggest that the 6.5 Creedmoor is a genuine short action round while the 260 Rem isn't.
  4. As above, Remington didn't follow through after the launch of the 260 Rem, Hornady did.
  5. Both do the same job with the same bullet.
As in many of these situations, there isn't one clear answer, it's a combination of the right idea backed by the right folk at the right time that makes some products fly and others sink.

Best regards

JCS
 
Have had a 6.5x47 Lapua now for over 10 years & it does everything I want or need it to. Have shot plenty of deer with it and the last time I shot it I was ringing steel at >1000 yards on Chobham Ridges so a truly versatile cartridge in my experience. Only negative I can think of is that it's a Lapua developed cartridge so that limits availability of brass & loaded ammo - I started off with 300 rounds of factory ammo at a shade under £900 😳
 
I have also been in a bit of a dilemma on which one to go for 260 rem, 6.5x55, 6.5x47 or 6.5 Creedmoor. I have settled on the 6.5 Creedmoor purely because of the fact that it seems to have a lot more reloading components available. There are so many of them about now, that it seems to be a bit like a Tikka T3 or dare I say it " a Ford Escort ".
 
I have also been in a bit of a dilemma on which one to go for 260 rem, 6.5x55, 6.5x47 or 6.5 Creedmoor. I have settled on the 6.5 Creedmoor purely because of the fact that it seems to have a lot more reloading components available. There are so many of them about now, that it seems to be a bit like a Tikka T3 or dare I say it " a Ford Escort ".
You say components but what you actually mean is a variety of brass, all of the other components are common to all of the cartridges
 
Built for Creedmoor Sports by Hornady, intended for long range target shooting but Creedmore and Hornady marketed the hell out of it.......... and a legend was born.
From what I have read the intention was to develop a round that could keep a 140 grain bullet with improved BC (compared to the .308win) supersonic past 1,000 yards.
US army and most of the US security forces are swapping their 7.62 barrels to 6.5CM so the market will self-perpetuate as its accurate in a bolt gun and can be used in a semiautomatic rifle
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You say components but what you actually mean is a variety of brass, all of the other components are common to all of the cartridges
More or less. There's plenty of once fired brass for the 6.5 Creedmoor in both large primer and small primer versions. I tend to shy away from factory rounds as they are so expensive. I like to load my own and so try to keep the cost of components down.
 
More or less. There's plenty of once fired brass for the 6.5 Creedmoor in both large primer and small primer versions. I tend to shy away from factory rounds as they are so expensive. I like to load my own and so try to keep the cost of components down.
Keep the cost of brass down you mean (or maybe ammo), the other components cost the same!

But yes, reloading keeps costs down and buying once fired brass drives costs down further, although .260 can be easily formed from .308 which is available in standard and palma and I formed a lot of creedmoor from .243 4/5 years ago as I wasn't going to be losing lapua cases in the field.....
 
putting aside all of the tactical beard and top-knot comments that seem to plague these threads. I have a 6.5 swede that I love, my mate has recently bought a 6.5 creed which he loves and got it because he was convinced by all the magazine articles that it was sooo much better than any other 6.5.
Took both out recently, same bullet, slightly different loads but genuinely could not tell the difference between them at 100m, 200m or 300m. Same POA vs POI, same felt recoil (as far as we could tell), same bang. I have no doubt that if there had been a deer at the other end it would have been the same result.

So only possible difference in my mind is the quality and saturation of the marketing.

Good news is that it doesn't matter which one you have you will always get ammo/components and you will be holding a gun that can take down any legal quarry in the UK.

funny thing is that if I ever had to re-barrel my swede I would probably go for a creed....But I have no idea why? Maybe there are microchips in the COVID vaccine and now the US are controlling my mind!!!!
 
If you want a truly versatile and non tactical beard “must have” look at 47, swede or 260 Improved the latter being very capable the former superb for 130 class and below projectiles the middle being a phenomenal all rounder

If you have a T3 action or similar versatile one action length rifle, none of the above matter in the “short action vs long action” stakes

The creedmoor is popular through marketing and is a useful cartridge

Just remember all animals react badly to bullets placed properly when considering the alternatives of which there are many.
 
Put simply and in a nutshell they will all do more than you want them to. The CM has been a marketing success story for an industry desperate to push sales of new “go-to” rifles and is no doubt up there with the 260, Swede, SE etc and dependent on usage beyond (I can just hear the howls) but for the deer shot by any of these great calibres there is not a jot of difference - pretty much the same bullet travelling at +/- 150/200 or whatever fps matters not a damn - how many degrees of dead are there? I am tempted to quote the Emperor’s new clothes story but you know what - I simply cannot be bothered because if it works for you, and you, and you and delivers a humane kill on an animal we should all have the greatest respect for then I am content. Nuff said.
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I think there’s also a degree of truth in that the CM came at the right time. It’s come to market at a time when a lot of sportsman are considering lead free. And the 6.5’s really shine with these long for calibre projectiles. I think there’s a degree of timing to the success.
 
A few facts.

Winchester, the leading US ammunition and case manufacturer by far until recently, has never made either brass or ammunition for the 260 Rem. I'd suggest that tells you a lot.

AFAIK, Remington has never loaded a single match round for the 260 for general sale. It has treated it entirely as a light/medium deer round. Remington Arms has likewise offered it in a very limited choice of rifle models with the sole exception of the immediate early 1980s post-launch period. When it didn't become an immediate big seller, Remington appeared to largely lose interest in it. Without the arrival of the Remington model 7 lightweight / short alternative to the 700, I doubt if the 260 would have survived at all. Not that many other manufacturers, rifle or ammunition, picked up on the 260. It was left to specialist 'boutique' ammunition companies to load match variants of the cartridge.

Remington either failed to notice the advent of 'practical' and sniper matches in the US 20 odd years ago where the 260 and its AI variant were the dominant cartridges, or if it did notice couldn't be bothered to capitalise on it at all.

The 260 as @jcampbellsmith points out was never well suited to heavier / longer bullets as long as it's loaded for short actions / magazines. The trend in the 21st century is towards ever heavier / higher BC bullets, hence longer.

6.5X47 Lapua is a specialist cartridge, which like 6BR is heavily weighted to custom rifles and handloading. No US manufacturer was ever going to pick it up. In fact how many European rifle manufacturers did? I found two, just two rifle manufacturers with barely any model choice, and I suspect rarely had any in stock to sell. plus Blaser which offered a barrel in the chambering for a while.

6.5X55 will never become big in the US mainstream manufacturing area - long action; SAAMI restricted loadings because of Krag and Swedish Mauser pressure limitations; a foreign military number.

6.5 Creedmoor was designed as an affordable match cartridge for people who don't handload from day one. It is very well designed for the US market and its stated purposes. Hornady didn't even launch it with any varmint or deer loadings - that came later due to shooter demand. What Hornady did do from a year or more before day one was get other manufacturers on board - Savage, Ruger and Howa; GAP and others in the custom tactical field; PT&G and other reamer manufacturers. The ammo was in the dealers and there was a good choice of new rifles launched simultaneously in time for day one, with review examples for US shooting journalists, and the big gun shows like SHOT (which also sees 'range day' testing / trying-out opportunities out in the nearby desert for accredited journos).

Marketing spend? I doubt if Hornady spent as much as Remington or Winchester did on equivalent cartridges. Anybody who shouts 'marketing' implying it's a way of getting customers to adopt a poor product knows nothing about the subject - there are examples by the bucket-load of crap products, or that addressed markets that didn't actually exist, that failed miserably despite massive marketing and PR spends. Hornady did the whole job - design, listening to and working with those out in the field who know their business through and through, getting enough product into local gunshops and the big US chains and suppliers - really well. Remember, the 'Creedmoor' bit of the name is partly an iconic name from US target shooting history of the later 19th/early 20th centuries, but is also the name of a very much 21st century successful US shooting business (Creedmoor Sports) and it was a partnership between individuals in the two outfits which came up with the concept based on knowing the US match shooting scene intimately.

Hornady did have a HUGE stroke of luck though. Their collaboration with Sturm-Ruger just when the latter was designing and putting the Ruger Precision Rifle into production tapped into the about to be biggest growing/selling range segment of 'blackticool' rifles and PRS. It was a win-win for the two companies - Hornady got a day one entry into the scene and Ruger got a very efficient new cartridge as a USP for its new model. We in the UK were way behind at this stage. I spoke to the Viking Arms people as to what the UK sales RPR cartridge breakdown was at the Northern Shooting Show a year or two after the rifle's launch. Overwhelmingly 308 Win, a few 6.5s and you can hardly give 243s aways they said. I bet a lot of 308 RPR buyers kick themselves now - there are some very good secondhand buys there today. Within 18 months every Western rifle manufacturer was looking to rush a PRS type chassis rifle into production and not a single one doesn't offer 6.5 (and mostly now 6mm too) Creedmoor as a chambering option.
 
The Creedmoor is a fine round, but in all honesty it's no better than the 260 Rem or the Swede.
The only possible advantage the Creedmoor has over the others is that it's easier to load with very long bullets in the mag. That consideration only applies to long range target shooters though; so for stalking there's really nothing in it other than fashion and clever marketing.
I reload only so i'll stick with my .260.
 
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