Sky Lanterns national ban

[Scandially]

Plenty of these on here....

 

[shooter]

I agree with @jimmy milnes. A BASC member myself, I would rather BASC focus on shooting and conservation first and foremost.

I think we all agree somethings are right or wrong (non shooting related) for eg human traffficking. I still wouldnt like BASC to put in effort to ban/counter that. This is not about whether baloons/lanterns should be banned it or not, its about BASC's misplaced priorities.

 

[User00025]

???

First word begins with F.

 

[Dunwaters]

I have found both the wire and the bamboo framed lanterns littered around the farm. Some of those obviously chewed at by the cattle. They are a serious hazard to livestock, wildlife and property.

As an aside. While at school I wanted to do an experiment with what was basically a Chinese lantern. I was told at the time that it was illegal to let an unaccompanied (ie not a piloted balloon) flame aloft.
I don’t know what specific law it was or if it was an excuse to prevent said experiment.
But if it was law. When was it repealed? If it wasn’t then they are already illegal.

Ban unsupervised livestock

 

[Class870]

Can’t believe some of these comments. If you upset the farmer/landowner, they’ll tell you where to go, and there goes your permission down the drain.

 

[Klenchblaize]

Ohhhhhh, is that a metal one? My brother had one and it fired the rocket as well.

5-grains of Varget instead paper caps is SHADO’s high-technology secret weapon in defence of every thatch in the land.

K

 

[AGR]

Mrs Moo Cow would probably go for the ban, particularly when having had a punctured rumen.

And that's the best reason for a ban. (Although I believe there are more made with thin dowel now. Whatever. Mostly made in China. Best place for them.)

 

[StephenToast]

I'm sure we could all sit here and list the stuff we find harmful. I agree with you re salmon-farming, but I would also add: sugar, salt, bleach, shampoo, diesel, tactical-beards, red trousers, roll-mops, pollen, wasps, nose-rings, green hair, Packham, and anti-libertarian governments.

I'm just not a fan of bans (apart from the obvious things like killing one another and pinching stuff). They are blunt instruments for a complicated world, and I am yet to see a government smart enough to understand the simple; never mind the complex.

You ****er. I love rollmops.

 

[Sierra]

Have seen a fire started by these. A hazard to the natural environment. Ban them!

I would also repeat the comments on prioritisation. There are far more concerning matters for the UK shooting population than this. If there was an open poll of BASC members on what matters this wouldn't even feature.

 

[Greenmist]

Astonishing. The usual gum bumpers managing to turn BASC support....together with an number of other rural bodies....for a very worthwhile and much needed move by the NFU, into a vehicle for their own childish and bizarre anti BASC sentiment. Go away and grow up.

I'll disagree with you on that, BASC are supposed to be defending shooting, something I personally feel they have lost sight of. When asked what they were actually doing to change the licensing system (their words not mine) it went awfully quiet and it turned out they weren't.
In my personal view, not the views of others I'll add, they are the career politicians of the shooting world

 

[Dunwaters]

You’re wasting your time chasing a ban.
Its been tried before and by bigger more powerful organisations, led by people with bigger pointier brains and more legislative clout.
They wont be banned because its too difficult to define what constitutes a sky lantern and what’s a hot air balloon or for that matter what the difference is between a helium filled birthday balloon and a bigger model.
Your CAA has already been down that road on several fronts and had to walk away with their tails well and truly lowered.
Face it, if they constituted a serious menace we’d have used the Air Navigation acts to shut them down years ago.
They’re just not a serious hazard, annoying maybe but not worth worrying about.
So my considered advise to BASC and the rest of the organisations concerned would be to pick up the phone to the local CAA air worthiness and certification unit first, before you go charging off and spending your members money on another campaign you can’t win.

 

[Conor O'Gorman]

I have read all the comments and I take on board concerns about us supporting this campaign and I will pass that back to colleagues. The NFU have asked us and a range of other organisations to sign the joint letter to the minister and to raise awareness of the campaign and that we have done across social media yesterday and I think its only in this forum that there have been concerns raised which is perhaps food for thought.

The organisations signing the joint letter were:

• Allison Ogden-Newton OBE, CEO of Keep Britain Tidy
• Amanda Anderson, Director of the Moorland Association
• David Bowles, Head of Campaigns and Public Affairs at the Royal Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals (RSPCA)
• David Brown, Deputy President of the Ulster Farmer’s Union (UFU)
• Des Payne, Safety Team Leader of The British Horse Society (BHS)
• Dr Ed Hayes, Head of Public Affairs, The Kennel Club
• Ellie Brodie, Head of Land Management at The Wildlife Trust
• Eoghan Cameron, Chairman of The British Association for Shooting and Conservation (BASC)
• Gina Bradbury Fox and Julia Bradbury, Managing Directors of The Outdoor Guide
• John Davies, President, NFU Cymru
• Mark Bridgeman, President of the Country Land and Business Association (CLA)
• Mark Coulman, National Chairman of the Tenant Farmers Association
• Mark Hardingham, Chair of the National Fire Chiefs Council (NFCC)
• Martin Kennedy President of the National Farmers’ Union of Scotland (NFUS)
• Paul Branch, Head of Claims of NFU Mutual Insurance UK (NFU Mutual)
• Sandy Luk, Chief Executive Officer of the Marine Conservation Society UK (MCS)
• Stuart Roberts, NFU Deputy President
• Tim Bonner, Chief Executive of the Countryside Alliance

Our support for the campaign on social media yesterday was not to the detriment of the many other shooting and conservation related projects we are doing day after day across the team and across the UK. As regards firearms licensing there were recent updates on the firearms league table and on the PCC elections.

 

[gerarddwatts]

Your 'considered advice' is of no consequence. The damn things are dangerous and are already banned by most local authorities. The sooner thay are outlawed the better.

Are you seriously saying that BASC should NOT express an opinion or support the NFU in this matter? What money are they spending in co-signing this proposal? Get a grip.

Thank you BASC for supporting this, and for letting us know that you are so doing. Ignore the muppets amongst us.

 

[shooter]

Can’t believe some of these comments. If you upset the farmer/landowner, they’ll tell you where to go, and there goes your permission down the drain.

If i play really loud music through the night on a landowners land, spill 1000 gallons of diesel, or a million other antisocial things, i will upset the farmer and lose my permission.
Still I dont want basc to campaign against these.

Other honorable causes (important) I dont want BASC to put efforts in:

banning drug traffiking
child cancer
cleft lip repair
heart donor
Capt tom Moors memorial statue
Mars mission
Clean energy
Post brexit business planning
Monitoring government spending on defence/health
School meals
Ofsted rankings

So please dont start debating if these causes are just or not.

BASC needs to sort out our licensing.

For starters what are they doing about bringing handguns back?
What are they doing about impending trophy ban
Why are there so few deer schmes available
Do they have any plans of making grouse shooting affordable like the deer scheme
Are they going to give legal notices to police forces to stop harassing newbies into getting DSC 1 as a prerequisite for FAC
Are they going to sort out the problem remington 10g ammo is having re proofing?
What are they doing about the EU firearm pass
What efforts are they putting into revival of puntgunning.
Are they going to liaise with international outfitters to get cheaper deals for members in international hunts

Thats what I pay the fees for (and many other similar causes)

 

[Dunwaters]

I have read all the comments and I take on board concerns about us supporting this campaign and I will pass that back to colleagues. The NFU have asked us and a range of other organisations to sign the joint letter to the minister and to raise awareness of the campaign and that we have done across social media yesterday and I think its only in this forum that there have been concerns raised which is perhaps food for thought.

The organisations signing the joint letter were:

• Allison Ogden-Newton OBE, CEO of Keep Britain Tidy
• Amanda Anderson, Director of the Moorland Association
• David Bowles, Head of Campaigns and Public Affairs at the Royal Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals (RSPCA)
• David Brown, Deputy President of the Ulster Farmer’s Union (UFU)
• Des Payne, Safety Team Leader of The British Horse Society (BHS)
• Dr Ed Hayes, Head of Public Affairs, The Kennel Club
• Ellie Brodie, Head of Land Management at The Wildlife Trust
• Eoghan Cameron, Chairman of The British Association for Shooting and Conservation (BASC)
• Gina Bradbury Fox and Julia Bradbury, Managing Directors of The Outdoor Guide
• John Davies, President, NFU Cymru
• Mark Bridgeman, President of the Country Land and Business Association (CLA)
• Mark Coulman, National Chairman of the Tenant Farmers Association
• Mark Hardingham, Chair of the National Fire Chiefs Council (NFCC)
• Martin Kennedy President of the National Farmers’ Union of Scotland (NFUS)
• Paul Branch, Head of Claims of NFU Mutual Insurance UK (NFU Mutual)
• Sandy Luk, Chief Executive Officer of the Marine Conservation Society UK (MCS)
• Stuart Roberts, NFU Deputy President
• Tim Bonner, Chief Executive of the Countryside Alliance

Our support for the campaign on social media yesterday was not to the detriment of the many other shooting and conservation related projects we are doing day after day across the team and across the UK. As regards firearms licensing there were recent updates on the firearms league table and on the PCC elections.

Conor,
Don't go there, you’re going up against a very well organised and already heavily regulated sector, what you’re seeking is the equivalent to a ban on “ knives” or “ air weapons” . I’d strongly suggest that you contact your local CAA office for a chat, what seems to you and a lot of your supporters to be a very simple request is going to prove to be extremely complicated and downright messy. That’s expensive.
Its also been tried before, I dont think any civil aviation authority has managed to come up with a solution.
Steer clear, and that’s advice from a former professional in the area who’s drafted more than one statutory instrument.
Save the money and the brownie points for something that actually matters, even if you succeed in getting a ban its unenforceable, please don't do it.

 

[SimpleSimon]

All of you lads saying don't ban them are happy for me to come round, set fire to a load of tat and chuck it all in your garden? If you're lucky it probably won't set any of your property on fire, so it'll just be all the left over bits for you to pick up after

 

[Dunwaters]

Your 'considered advice' is of no consequence. The damn things are dangerous and are already banned by most local authorities. The sooner thay are outlawed the better.

Are you seriously saying that BASC should NOT express an opinion or support the NFU in this matter? What money are they spending in co-signing this proposal? Get a grip.

Thank you BASC for supporting this, and for letting us know that you are so doing. Ignore the muppets amongst us.

Thanks, your input and advice are duly noted, if they're already banned by most local authorities, how come there’s still a problem?
I have no issue with BASC et al expressing an opinion, but throwing their members brass into an open pit is not going to help anyone, not a single one, except maybe the very expensive senior councils involved.

 

[Greenmist]

If there was an open poll of BASC members on what matters this wouldn't even fea

All of you lads saying don't ban them are happy for me to come round, set fire to a load of tat and chuck it all in your garden? If you're lucky it probably won't set any of your property on fire, so it'll just be all the left over bits for you to pick up after

I'm not saying they shouldn't be banned or licenced, personally I think they are a danger to livestock and I'm sick of picking them up. BUT, I don't expect our largest shooting organisation to feel the need to get involved in the matter when the NFU already have, I certainly don't recall the NFU getting involved in many shooting matters, then again neither does BASC

 

[gerarddwatts]

Thanks, your input and advice are duly noted, if they're already banned by most local authorities, how come there’s still a problem?
I have no issue with BASC et al expressing an opinion, but throwing their members brass into an open pit is not going to help anyone, not a single one, except maybe the very expensive senior councils involved.

What 'brass'? Please explain?

I assume you mean 'counsels'? How much did BASC spend please? On what?

Read the name of the organisation properly....I think you'll find it involves '....conservation.' This certainly is something BASC should support. Be in no doubt, chinese lanterns are a serious and growing threat to wildlife, crops, stock and buildings. Anyone who cannot understand that does not understand the countryside at all.

Thanks BASC.

 

[StephenToast]

**** the lanterns. I want to know BASC's stance on rollmops. I hope they aren't supporting Carl's ban. If they are I'll throw my toys right out of the pram.