BDS North West Branch Range day, Sunday 25th July, Grayrigg, Cumbria

Once again a very well attended event drawing people from far and wide - beyond NE BDS branch area

Thank you for your support

Great to see 30 plus people attending the Range day, huge thanks to Ed and helpers from Edinburgh Rifles and all the helpers and committee for working together to make such an enjoyable and successful event
 
Very enjoyable morning. Well organised and great weather, just like last time.
Thanks to all involved for their errorts to make this happen.
ATB,
Craig
 
Just got home, thank you for setting up such a great day.

Alan

p.s. note to self....make mini quad sticks for the kneeling shots and practice prone off elbows.
 
It would be good to hear what you all thought of the course of fire, for my part I liked it but didn't find the shooting off elbows particularly relevant to a stalking situation (however, I might feel differently if I hadn't done so badly at it!!)

In the raffle 1st prize of the £50 Edinburgh Rifles voucher went to Danny, 2nd prize of the carcass fly cover to Alan and 3rd prize the booze to Steve Richardson (who kindly manned the BBQ all day.)
 
It would be good to hear what you all thought of the course of fire

The course of fire was completely alien to me apart from the two shots standing off sticks. Very much aligned to an open country / hill discipline I imagine.

It was a great opportunity to try something different, and I am not trying to justify my results...honest!

My woodland and farmland stalking, I shoot standing off sticks or from a highseat rail. So the prone and kneeling positions were novel for me. So much so that last week I had to buy my first (and second) bipods for the day.

I haven't shot an animal beyond 150 yards so one of the reasons I took part was I really fancied trying shooting at 200 yards...I was a bit disappointed on the day that the only shots at 200 we could do were the 4 for the shooting test. Without having had a chance to zero or practice to see what the trajectory of the bullet did at that range, it was only the 4th shot I managed to walk up into the black. But nonetheless the test was an accurate reproduction of the only situation in the field where I may have to take a 200 yard shot...to shoot a wounded/runner animal, and there is no opportunity to practice there.

The other really useful part of the 200 yard experience was the ballistic apps reckoned the trajectory would kiss 1" high at 100 and 1" low at 200. It would have been much better (double the accuracy) for me to zero 1" low at 200 and then see where the 100 went.

For me, the course of fire was a valuable learning experience just as it was.

Alan
 
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Thanks Alan for the review

Everyone was able to shoot at 200 - they didn’t have to participate in the skills test and yes the 200 was precisely for that reason - runner follow up which can and does happen

Quite a few who shot that distance were surprised at their bullets drop - which in itself achieved the “self development “ box (education)
 
Everyone was able to shoot at 200 - they didn’t have to participate in the skills test

Regarding my lost 200 yard plinking/practice opportunity, I think I misunderstood a helpfully intended comment. I was sorting my gear away from the hundred yard position and was about to lug it all up the hill and was told "you only need your rifle and 4 rounds"...I should have queried whether I could take a few more rounds to use after the four for the test.

I will know next time!

Alan
 
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Thought the CoF was excellent. Building confidence and experience in a range of scenarios is extremely valuable.
  • Some don't shoot kneeling / sitting - a lot of us do, I will frequently use shortened/unextended sticks, or any rock, knoll, tree available for support, lower profile can mean less likely to be seen by deer; lower profile for me also means closer to ground and more points of contact with ground, and more stable shooting position. (also rarely carry bipod / and sticks at the same time)
  • Some don't shoot prone with sling - others do, or may need to some day, and it is is a traditional rifle / marksmanship skill
  • Some don't shoot out to 200m - some do, and others may need to some day.
Overall this kind of CoF can only improve and increase our rifle skills and marksmanship, which has got to be a great thing for us and the deer we hunt.

Well done all involved and thank you for running an excellent event.
 
If at all possible, suggest consider allocating: Detail number and Firing Point number to participants before hand, could help scoring.

Also targets are a bit close together which can be confusing. And wondered if a bit more space between Firing Points / shooters might be possible, we're hugger mugger especially when the person next to you doesn't have a mod ! !
 
If at all possible, suggest consider allocating: Detail number and Firing Point number to participants before hand, could help scoring.

Also targets are a bit close together which can be confusing. And wondered if a bit more space between Firing Points / shooters might be possible, we're hugger mugger especially when the person next to you doesn't have a mod ! !
The anti-modders are the pits.....

We are talking about nominating the target and the firing position beforehand as well as some other challenges for you all....
 
Judy has a copy of your targets if you want them Steve
does she have mine and Stuart's?.....
Rumour has it they may have been left on the board.. :)

An excellent day out.
thank you for having us.

That particular course of fire is one that is being proposed as a standardised one nationally to promote better shooting across all disciplines.
Its already being used across a number of BDS branches nationally and has been part of the Scottish Branch and Interbranch shoots for some years.
Hill shooters should be able to shoot off sticks, trees, fenceposts, kneeling, sitting or balancing on one leg.
Likewise woodland shooters should be able to shoot prone, off bags or kneeling etc.
The CoF shooting off elbows/unsupported is one that had been in Skill at Arms tests and full bore shooting since it began.
It may not be used day to day by stalkers but there are plenty of scenarios where it may be your only option for a follow up shot.

(As an aside, the promotion of practicing shots where stability is not perfect is an excellent way of replicating a possible follow up shot after breaking position.
The most effective way to shoot accurately off elbows is to shoot as the cross hair moves across the target, Practice allows release at the correct moment.
I can think of a number of examples where the same discipline of shooting when unstable or a potentially slowly moving target may be needed in the field.)

To have more days like this run nationally allowing stalkers to shoot more under the pressure of a challenge or competition environment can only be a good thing to increase the competency of the stalking community.

I do agree that we as stalker's need to practice more at ranges beyond what we would normally engage quarry.
If you would shoot deer to a max of 100, you should be capable of shooting accurately at 200.
If you shoot to a max of 200, you should be capable of shooting accurately at 300.
We talk about the nominal limit to an ethical shot being 300yds/m, all our ammo has the theoretical drops to that range on the box
Very few people have the chance to shoot at 300 even in practice.
Those that do should know their equipment and understand that many of the scopes we use are designed with this in mind,
That 4" circle is used for a reason.


I also think the various Shooting/Stalking clubs and groups should embrace the introduction of not just plinking and practice days, but training days to assist in making sure stalkers can shoot effectively at ranges beyond their comfort zones.
We should all know what our rifle and ammo actually does at ranges beyond their zero.
We should understand the effect of wind
We should understand the design of the scope reticules in use and the features that are built in to it to enable you to shoot more accurately at any range.
 
Another thought has occurred regarding the Course of Fire.

Include a couple of shots at 200 standing off sticks...which is more likely to present an opportunity for a follow up shot than prone if you are watching a departing runner?

Maybe make sticks or prone an option at 200?

Alan
 
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