Anti vaxxers need to do some research.

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John Gryphon said:
I went to school with a caliper kid in the 50`s

www.theguardian.com

‘No concept of how awful it was’: the forgotten world of pre-vaccine childhood in Australia

Until relatively recently, lethal infectious diseases stalked the lives of Australian children – including my father, Tom Keneally. Vaccines have saved millions
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Ah back in the day when viruses meant something genuinely dangerous for kids rather than a dose of the sniffles.

Mike L said:
Our finances and resources.
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No you’re confusing relatively small number or anti vaxxers with the old and weak who have ground the nhs/pension schemes down.
 
girlfriend mate hasnt had her little girl vaccined against the common stuff, her cousins wont see her now. but she has had the covid jab? i fear for the little girl
 
Shabz said:
Their bodies, their decisions, their consequences.
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And one of the consequences of not being vaccinated is the heightened risk of passing the virus on to other people.
That alone is sufficient reason for being vaccinated.
Also, being vaccinated reduces your chances of becoming sick and requiring hospital treatment.
The fewer people there are in hospital with covid, the quicker the NHS can get on with treating the huge backlog of people who require medical treatment for non covid conditions -

Cheers

Bruce
 
Theres thousands of third generation benefits recipients in this country. Should we force sterilisation on them too? Since they’re a drain on finances and resources etc.
What about folk with Down’s syndrome or old folk with dementia? Should we start executing them to save the NHS money? What about smokers? Or Drinkers? Or folk that eat at MacDonalds?

When you start forcing people to do stuff to their bodies, that’s Nazi craic. Don’t be a Nazi.
 
Shabz said:
Theres thousands of third generation benefits recipients in this country. Should we force sterilisation on them too? Since they’re a drain on finances and resources etc.
What about folk with Down’s syndrome or old folk with dementia? Should we start executing them to save the NHS money? What about smokers? Or Drinkers? Or folk that eat at MacDonalds?

When you start forcing people to do stuff to their bodies, that’s Nazi craic. Don’t be a Nazi.
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like paying taxes, going to school, wearing a seat belt, not drink driving. bloody nazis
 
mealiejimmy said:
one of the consequences of not being vaccinated is the heightened risk of passing the virus on to other people
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Generically that is the received wisdom of vaccination programs, in principle.

In the particular case of the covid vaccine? Not so much.

The SARS-CoV-2 vaccines prevent [for a time] the probability of serious illness in the person vaccinated.

All research and governments acknowledge that the [covid] vaccinated individuals can carry and shed the virus. [and get sick]
 
At the time of writing the son of my wife's best friend is in an ICU, intubated and in a coma. His name is Juan and he's 36 years old. He denied Covid was dangerous and refused to be vaccinated. His decisions, but now he's taking a hospital bed from someone who almost certainly deserves it more, his mum is frantic with worry, and my better half is having to spend hours on the phone to Spain because there's no one else around to hold her hand... which means that, instead going out shooting, I'm now having to stay in, say supportive things and do the housework. Thanks a lot, Juan, you total tosser. So, to the rest of the Covid-denying vaccine-refusing posse out there, I say, please, think hard about the consequences, and don't give the world another Juan to deal with. Right now, one is more than enough!
 
Wow , some strong feelings on this one . Personally , I've been vaccinated twice , so I'm as protected as I can get . Realistically , it doesn't matter how many , or how few , get vaccinated anymore . I can still get it and transmit it to others , Covid is here to stay . While I'm a proponent of vaccines , and to be accurate , they're all still an experimental treatment , I can empathise with those who are hesitant . What does concern me is the amount of rage among those on both sides of the debate . In a world that I didn't think could get anymore narrow minded and polarised , we've managed to ratchet it up a little more . One side doesn't trust big pharma , the media and their own governments ( understandable ) , the other wants to ostracise and punish anyone who doesn't have the same beliefs or concerns as they do . I say this as someone who has lost two family members to Covid and is under no illusion as to how severe an illness it is . The question we need to ask ourselves is how far are we willing to go in regards to civil rights . Are we going to to start rounding people up who aren't vaccinated ? Some on here suggest punishing them , ok , how ? Fines , imprisonment , perhaps a nice little yellow star . The greatest damage that will come out of this mess will be the amount of freedom we've lost and won't get back . Feel free to flame me , as I'm sure some here will , but we need to give our heads a collective shake . The world is over flowing with hate and division , the above mentality will just make it worse . Flame suit on .

AB
 
zambezi said:
Generically that is the received wisdom of vaccination programs, in principle.

In the particular case of the covid vaccine? Not so much.

The SARS-CoV-2 vaccines prevent [for a time] the probability of serious illness in the person vaccinated.

All research and governments acknowledge that the [covid] vaccinated individuals can carry and shed the virus. [and get sick]
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I asked you a year and a half ago and got no answer, I'm still curious, what is your point?
 
So anyone who hasn’t been vaccination dosnt deserve a bed ,is that the feeling .
So if they stopped paying taxes that would ok too ffs as taxes fund the NHS along with public amenities .
We are a free country ,free to choose what we do and long may it be that way .The only reason I’m double jabbed is to eventually go abroad no other reason .Ill stand by anyone not wanting the jab or any other infringement of their rights .
What this country needs is normality ,covid is here to stay and not of our making .We need to move on now .
 
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