The Croydon Cat Killer

Buchan

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Was in fact, foxes. You may recall this hit the news a while ago, a paper giving the details of full post mortem on 32 cats has been published - all fox predations. A significant number of the cats had died due to RTA or heart failure before being munched. Here's the abstract. Amazing how neat a set of fox choppers can be!
This study was designed to identify the cause of mutilation and death in 32 cats, part of a larger cohort found dead in Greater London, the United Kingdom, between 2016 and 2018. At the time, discussion in the media led to concerns of a human serial cat killer (dubbed The Croydon Cat Killer) pursuing domestic cats, causing a state of disquietude. Given the link between animal abuse and domestic violence, human intervention had to be ruled out. Using a combination of DNA testing, computed tomography imaging, and postmortem examination, no evidence was found to support any human involvement. Instead, a significant association between cat carcass mutilation and the presence of fox DNA was demonstrated. Gross examination identified shared characteristics including the pattern of mutilation, level of limb or vertebral disarticulation, wet fur, wound edges with shortened fur, and smooth or irregular contours, and marks in the skin, muscle, and bone consistent with damage from carnivore teeth. Together these findings supported the theory that the cause of mutilation was postmortem scavenging by red foxes (Vulpes vulpes). The probable cause of death was established in 26/32 (81%) carcasses: 10 were predated, 8 died from cardiorespiratory failure, 6 from blunt force trauma, one from ethylene glycol toxicity, and another from liver failure. In 6 carcasses a cause of death was not established due to autolysis and/or extensive mutilation. In summary, this study highlights the value of a multidisciplinary approach to fully investigate cases of suspected human-inflicted mutilation of animals.
 
I never heard of foxes predating cats, even seen foxes and cats mincing around next to each other when I've been out lamping. Is this suggestive of a behavioural change caused by the urban environment they inhabit?
 
I don’t know. It looks like a significant waste of time and resources, especially given that a number of the cats were RTA victims.
 
Personally I’m shocked, I would’ve thought that by all those Metropolitan Guardian readers leaving out leftover tofu and oat milk for these urban foxes would have, by now, made them vegetarian if not vegan? Don’t these foxes understand climate impacts of eating cat meat!
 
I never heard of foxes predating cats, even seen foxes and cats mincing around next to each other when I've been out lamping. Is this suggestive of a behavioural change caused by the urban environment they inhabit?
The paper does disuss some of this and they established the cause of death in many of the 32 submitted cats the 10 where predation was the direct cause of death were all young cats/kittens. It's probable that urban foxes do prey on cats, it make ecological sense - they are intraguild competitors
 
I don’t know. It looks like a significant waste of time and resources, especially given that a number of the cats were RTA victims.

It is a waste of time and resources, but nothing compared to the waste of time and resources expended by the police following much campaigning and insistence by demented cat ladies and other idiots. Operation Takahe.....yes the police really did start a three-year long "operation" consuming over 2,000 man hours and £130,000, followed a similar but probably Operation Obelisk years before. In that case, lunatics convinced themselves that deranged cat killers (plural) were on the loose, engaged in satanic rituals, as well as bizarre anti-Semitic conspiracies that it was some sort of Jewish blood sacrifice ritual. The Police took this very seriously, devoting much resource to it (as they tend to wherever outrageously lurid and completely unbelievable allegations are involved), vets produced incorrect post-mortems and reports containing unfounded accusations, and animal charities went mental. Even now, thousands of deranged animal-rights zealots think it's been covered up in some sort of conspiracy.
You could not make up the details of just how mentally deranged some of these people were/are. This is exactly where WildJustice and antis get their funding from - alleged "animal lovers" who are completely and utterly bonkers. Where they get their money from? I can only imagine its selling psychedelic drugs or working for the public sector - the only two lines of work where being batsh1t crazy is an advantage.
So, wasting a little time to prove that all those people are complete idiots is money well spent.
 
Just addressing the 'time and resources wasted" comments. There is a potential link between animal and human abuse, which was part of the reason for conducting the PM.
Fairly tenuous under the circumstances. Theres not a scintilla of evidence in the report to support the premise that either the foxes or vehicles went on to become serial predators.
I get the link between animal abuse and a possible tendency to indulge in sadistic behaviour, but it shouldn’t take a forensic science team tell the differ between a cat squished on the road and a cat wots been cruelly done to death by a human hand.
OTT, and expensively OTT at that.
 
Just addressing the 'time and resources wasted" comments. There is a potential link between animal and human abuse, which was part of the reason for conducting the PM.
Seriously? You know better than to write a sentence like that.
 
Fairly tenuous under the circumstances. Theres not a scintilla of evidence in the report to support the premise that either the foxes or vehicles went on to become serial predators of humans.
I get the link between animal abuse and a possible tendency to indulge in sadistic behaviour, but it shouldn’t take a forensic science team tell the differ between a cat squished on the road and a cat wots been cruelly done to death by a human hand.
OTT, and expensively OTT at that.
I don't begrudge the odd post-mortem or vets bill. It does seems hard to justify that the police force in question was at the same time unable to spare time or resources to deal to investigate crimes which actually existed with human victims, while able to sustain a three year investigation at six figure expense into a load of non-crimes. Having previously had the same experience and learned nothing from. Surely it's not compulsory to live up to the less charitable stereotypes.
 
Fairly tenuous under the circumstances. Theres not a scintilla of evidence in the report to support the premise that either the foxes or vehicles went on to become serial predators.
I get the link between animal abuse and a possible tendency to indulge in sadistic behaviour, but it shouldn’t take a forensic science team tell the differ between a cat squished on the road and a cat wots been cruelly done to death by a human hand.
OTT, and expensively OTT at that.
The problem was that these cats were found dismembered, often decapitated, and so neatly that human action was a distinct possibliity.
 
The problem was that these cats were found dismembered, often decapitated, and so neatly that human action was a distinct possibliity.
Dismembered, I can believe, cars will do that, and decapitated too, but I’d like to see some photos of the surgically neat cuts, particularly the skin cuts. Teeth aren’t as sharp as knives dont cut the same way and it should be fairly easy to distinguish between them.
Similar occurrences have been reported before and investigated before, with the similar results.
There was zero evidence of human intervention to begin with, what you had was an assumption that there might be/ was someone killing cats for kicks.
Dead cats are not exactly rare and they can be quite creative in terminating their fabled 9 lives, cats die, often inexplicably and often quite violently, if you go looking for cat carcasses you’ll find them because they’re fairly conspicuous and there are creatures out there that either prey on cats outright or scavenge their remains. Cats are arrogant with dogs and dumb with traffic, both of which traits can, and regularly do, end in violent death.
This investigation seems to have been initiated on the assumption that there was a human culprit and reluctantly dropped only when it became blindingly obvious that there wasn’t a shred of supporting evidence to be found.
 
Of course, none of this nonsense would have happened if it wasn't for all these cats roaming everywhere with their owners wholly negligent about controlling them, and the ridiculous indulgence cats uniquely seem to enjoy of being exempt from any sort of control or owers' responsibility.
Some prat will probably pop up and say cats have to be allowed to roam because that's what they did as wild animals. Dogs/wolves, of course, are different because they evolved to live in the wild only dozing by firesides.
 
Love cats best ones live in the bottom of compost bins .:coat: we had so many wild ones on the farm every year they too had to be culled my old feller would feed them to the black and white dogs to save his chickens runs/huts from being smashed up .
 
I’d like to see some photos of the surgically neat cuts, particularly the skin cuts. Teeth aren’t as sharp as knives dont cut the same way and it should be fairly easy to distinguish between them.
Which is what they did. I wasn't aware that foxes routinely lick carcasses and pick up experimentally several times. Some interesting photos of skin with lots of small pucnture wounds in it.
 
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