Think "paying Danegeld" of promoting the end of lead will make anti-shooting campaigns go away?

[enfieldspares]

If anyone hopes that BASC and its fellow travellers having "paid the Dangeld" of promoting the end of lead would make anti-shooting proponents be our friends maybe they should think maybe again?

Also does the RSPCA spokesperson not find it without note that the greatest killer of birds (and probably the one that in doing so inflicts individually the most pain) in the UK is likely the domestic cat?

RSCA seeks tightening air weapon controls

 

[Smellydog]

Offs...

 

[snake_2586]

Don't a lot of pigeons die every year due to being shot?

 

[timbrayford]

The anti mob haven't exactly left the hound sports followers alone despite getting their ban back in 2004 either.

 

[weblyish]

"Every year the RSPCA receives almost 1,000 calls to investigate cases and help hundreds of animals that are the victims of air weapon attacks."

If they respond to about 3 incidents a day like this why is this one on the news

Something fishy about that number methinks

 

[enfieldspares]

I am familiar with the area it is about two miles from me. So FWIW it is, in a straight line, about just over one and a quarter miles from open farmland.

 

[weblyish]

I am familiar with the area it is about two miles from me. So FWIW it is, in a straight line, about just over one and a quarter miles from open farmland.

Just over a mile as the, slightly wounded, pigeon flies you could say

 

[Pellet Pinger]

Leicestershire Live, Leicester’s very own Sunday Sport.
What they be should be reporting on is the state of the city, what an absolute **** hole, dirty filthy slum. The roads are absolutely shocking, empty shop fronts full of homeless people.
Glad i live far enough away not to smell it!

 

[cjm1066]

So if I shoot 100 pigeons this afternoon that will be newsworthy.

Fortunately the woodie I killed on the road yesterday is OK as my car is licensed

 

[Overlay]

Leicestershire Live, Leicester’s very own Sunday Sport.
What they be should be reporting on is the state of the city, what an absolute **** hole, dirty filthy slum. The roads are absolutely shocking, empty shop fronts full of homeless people.
Glad i live far enough away not to smell it!

Same everywhere now mate, high traffic, pot holes, dangerous driving, My Mrs can’t walk down the high street without both hands clutching her handbag, main Arterial road closed both ways for 3 days due to pot hole blitz
I’m glad we now live down a track where only people who live there venture, out the way and the rest outa mind towns and cities suck these days won’t be long before some are no go areas and you have to have your shopping delivered, we went down chatham high street to be met with the smell of human ****, dog poo, fox poo and rat droppings My Mrs was nigh on heaving up we only went there because thats where the one of the two remaining building societies anywhere near us within 14 miles is situated, how the residents handle living there is amazing there are some nice people who live there as well, they must get home asap and lock themselves in dreadful dreadful place

 

[Buchan]

Having dealt with a lot of cats injured by fwits who think they are a legitimate target, I'd support greater control. I wouldn't advocate banning them, so regardless of controls the fwits will still shoot cats.

 

[M@tt]

Having dealt with a lot of cats injured by fwits who think they are a legitimate target, I'd support greater control. I wouldn't advocate banning them, so regardless of controls the fwits will still shoot cats.

So, don't you think it would be better to control the fwits instead?

These days, we are constantly striving to make things safer by controlling the safe and not the unsafe. Take crossing the road: in my day it was advertised by the Green Cross Code Man, look, listen and cross safely. Now it is all drivers slow down because the fwits are not looking and are engrossed on their phones with earbuds in. And if your car is nice and environmentally quiet, you need to make it noisy so the fwits will not need to look both ways.

I fully advocate removing all safety warnings and letting Darwinism do its job.

 

[Liveonce]

All I know about cats is they like to sxxx in your garden, they hunt garden birds and do not like water pistols.

edit to add and should be banned as pets.

 

[Hornet]

Yes, if anyone thinks the lead ban will shut the anti brigade up,they are quite honestly deluded. As a side note, (not having a go at anyone) I don't understand people calling them "air weapons" and yes I know it's called an AWL in Scotland, but they are not weapons, they are sporting air rifles, we don't call shotguns weapons, or indeed sporting rifles, so let's not help the likes of the rspca, rspb etc by calling them something they are not.

 

[M@tt]

...I don't understand people calling them "air weapons" ....

I know what you mean, but I also think it's time to get over this and move on.
Only shooters make this point, and in doing so highlighting it to the ignorant who most likely never saw the negative connotations, but will now.
The non shooting community either don't care or will hate shooters/shooting/firearms/weapons no matter what.
Weapon/firearm is only an argument for shooters with other shooters and a detraction from what actually matters.

Besides, the original bamboo firearm was designed as a weapon, everything since is a variation of that.

 

[VSS]

I know what you mean, but I also think it's time to get over this and move on.
Only shooters make this point, and in doing so highlighting it to the ignorant who most likely never saw the negative connotations, but will now.
The non shooting community either don't care or will hate shooters/shooting/firearms/weapons no matter what.
Weapon/firearm is only an argument for shooters with other shooters and a detraction from what actually matters.

Besides, the original bamboo firearm was designed as a weapon, everything since is a variation of that.

A firearm only becomes a weapon when placed in the hands of a soldier or a lunatic.

The word "weapon" has negative connotations, and it's quite right that we should object to it being applied to sporting firearms.

 

[Tim.243]

I know what you mean, but I also think it's time to get over this and move on.
Only shooters make this point, and in doing so highlighting it to the ignorant who most likely never saw the negative connotations, but will now.
The non shooting community either don't care or will hate shooters/shooting/firearms/weapons no matter what.
Weapon/firearm is only an argument for shooters with other shooters and a detraction from what actually matters.

Besides, the original bamboo firearm was designed as a weapon, everything since is a variation of that.

To be fair for the purposes of stalking/hunting there is no mention of "weapon" on my FAC, you see posted lodged my guns with RFD not RWD
Lots of references in the Firearms guidance notes to weapons (historic) for 1
The public have always out weighed shooters by millions so millions of different opinions

 

[timbrayford]

Sort of had this discussion with an FEO some years ago
FEO: "Why do you need these weapons?"
My response: "My good reasons for these firearms are......"

 

[M@tt]

I agree with you on much of this, but is it the use or the original reason for the design that determines the term used?
Whatever, it doesn't matter to anyone else, the argument is not between non-shooters, only shooters seem to have an issue with this. It takes our focus away from any issue that is way more important.

To anyone else not in the shooting community it will be seen as a dangerous item whatever it is called, and highlighting the difference for them only draws more attention to the negative. The powers-that-be will always see them as weapons as that is what they were originally designed for (and what they are used as, in the majority of the non-FLD interactions with them), and hunters intend to cause harm (not unnecessary suffering) so all their/our firearms are not only designed as weapons, but are intended to be used as weapons.

We need to get over it and move on to more important things that can actually make a difference, and stop wasting time arguing amongst ourselves about this.

While we're at it, we could spend loads of time arguing if it is a licence or a certificate? After all, it is a Firearms Licensing system, and from a Firearms Licencing Department, but it is a Firearms Certificate I have in my hand.

 

[moeggesit]

I kind of agree with their statement that training should be completed prior to buying and airgun (or any). More specifically, firearms handling and safe shooting should be a compulsory (preactical) subject in every primary and secondary school without any option for the school or parents to opt out.

ps. And run by someone who knows what they’re talking about, like shooting the organisations, each their own part of the curriculum.