Morkai
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Read it again, it say vacations.
I was just being facetious, but I agree with you.
Omicron
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I was just being facetious, but I agree with you.
foxdropper
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So after all these threads ,he said ,she said what’s the verdict because I’ve yet to read the answer .
Heres mine …stay healthy ,away from crowds and just live chaps cos your a long time dead .
Heres mine …stay healthy ,away from crowds and just live chaps cos your a long time dead .
foxdropper
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Yea but no but ……
Dunwaters
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Yes, it might help and probably wont hurt, plus regardless of what the actual effect is, theres no way that governments are going to admit that its a waste of time just yet so you’ll need your Covid passport for a while longer.
Sinistral
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There's no certainty about anything, but with the latest news it's worth considering. . . .
31m ago
10:10
Moderna says booster of its vaccine appears to protect against Omicron
Moderna Inc said on Monday that a booster dose of its Covid-19 vaccine appeared to be protective against the fast-spreading Omicron variant in laboratory testing and that the current version of the vaccine would continue to be Moderna’s “first line of defence against Omicron”.The vaccine maker said the decision to focus on the current vaccine, mRNA-1273, was driven in part by how quickly the recently discovered variant is spreading, Reuters reports. The company still plans to develop a vaccine specifically to protect against Omicron, which it hopes to advance into clinical trials early next year.
“What we have available right now is 1273,” Dr Paul Burton, Moderna’s chief medical officer, said in an interview. “It’s highly effective, and it’s extremely safe. I think it will protect people through the coming holiday period and through these winter months, when we’re going to see the most severe pressure of Omicron.”
The company said a two-dose course of its vaccine generated low neutralising antibodies against the Omicron variant, but a 50 microgram booster dose increased neutralising antibodies against the variant 37 fold. A higher, 100 microgram booster dose of the same vaccine drove antibody levels even higher – more than 80 times pre-boost levels.
3h ago
07:42
Twelve people have died with Omicron and 104 in hospital
Deputy prime minister and justice secretary Dominic Raab has said 12 people have died with the Omicron variant of the coronavirus, and 104 are in hospital with it.Raab did not confirm whether he is one of the 10 cabinet ministers who reportedly questioned modelling on the Omicron surge.
He told Times Radio: “If you look at Omicron, what we actually know is that it spreads very rapidly. “We have got 104 hospitalisations at the moment which are Omicron-based, we have had 12 deaths. But there’s a time lag in the data and so we don’t know quite how severe it will be.
“The one thing we do know is that those that get the booster jab get over 70% effective protection, which is why the strategy we have got, I believe at the moment subject to being reviewed constantly, is the right one which is encouraging people to get their boosters.
“I think 53% of adults have now had their booster and then proceeding with plan B, which is encouraging people to work from home where they can and masks in particularly crowded places.”He added: “I think that is the right strategy until we’ve got firmer, harder data.”
Rewulf
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You can trust what the government tells you (I wouldnt) and have it , for the best chance of holding off omicron (which is like a bad cold) or you can rely on the last 2 jabs (which they said fully protected you) and get on with your life.
Your chances of catching covid and being made any more ill than usual colds and flu is very low.
The chances of being made ill by vaccines are also very low.
The issue is , at the moment, you can have the vaccine , and still get ill, and the percentage that do , is unacceptably high.
And this is the conundrum , they told you before, that the double jab would give you the best chance of 'beating this disease' , then it changed to best chance of staying out of hospital, then its, have another for the best chance, now we are at the stage where one 'expert' tells us these 3 jabs arent really effective on the new variant, and another says , just have them anyway , while we work on a tweaked jab.
In 3 or 4 months , when they have tweaked the jab , they will no doubt mandate a 4 th jab, just as the next variant turns up..;.
How many more of these broken promises will there be ?
Personally , if you are of an age, it might be advantageous to have as many jabs as they recommend , if you are below 65 and in good health, I would give it serious consideration.
As above , it probably wont , but for some , it has.
And if the government wont admit its a waste of time, even if its fairly clear its no where near as effective as touted, where does that leave trust in what they tell us ?
I went to London for 3 days last week , visited a lot of attractions, I was asked for a covid pass twice, once at Hyde park, and once at a cocktail bar, both times it was just glanced at , if they had the equipment to scan it, they didnt use it, it could literally have been a made up image.
Another pontless exercise , like 'face coverings'
Rewulf
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What do they mean it 'appears to' , you stated the other day that it gave 50 - 80 % protection ?
Are they merely confirming this , or have they just decided to say it 'might'
And why has it taken so long to do the (lab) tests , when omicron was first identified over a month ago ?
Weird figures, makes it look like a 10 % mortality rate to the casual observer, when its obviously not, just more massaging of the figures.
The figure I look for, is what percentage of people in hospital have been jabbed, & what is the death rate of these people & how bad is Omicron?. Like many people, I am starting to wonder about all of this, it seems we don't know anything anymore, & I'M TRYING REALLY HARD NOT TO BE A CONSPIRACY THEORIST.
Rewulf
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Questioning the figures or narrative isnt being a conspiracy theorist, you have to ask yourself the simple question, 'Do I trust everything the government tells me?' I dont believe there are many who believe they dont tell the odd porkie, or at least manipulate the information to such an extent , that it bears little resemblance to the truth.
Try using google or whatever, to find official sources for the answers to the questions you ask.
What percentages of deaths from covid are single , double , triple jabbed , how old/already ill/obese were they ?
Good luck with that , because I cant find that information.
To what percentage will having a booster help you against this new variant, obviously healthy age group dependent ?
They havent a clue, but go and get jabbed anyway they say, you can always have another in a few months time....
Where does it end ?
timbrayford
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Yes if the propaganda campaign has undermined your mental health , otherwise make your own judgement.
timbrayford
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A good point, any idea why the the anti-Covid demo in London last weekend was subject to a news media blackout?
Right there with you. I'm certainly beginning to lean in one direction though...
Rewulf
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First 5 minutes if you cant be bothered to watch it all.
To summarise , 100,000 NEW cases every day , mostly omicron now (thats was quick
). But 3 or 4 times as many asymptomatic or too mild to bother testing or reporting.So a possible 400,000 a day of NEW cases, through an 80-90 % vaccinated population , and 50 % boosted population.
They say there could be 10 million unvaccinated, the figure could be more , as I dont believe anyone really knows how many live in the UK and are unregistered, but even if the unvaccinated drive infections (They dont) it wont be long before even the most ardent antivaxxer gets a dose of real covid, thats if they didnt get it over the last 2 years anyway ?
So what does that tell us ?
Even at the 'usual' rate of 50,000 a day new infections , the MAJORITY of new 'cases' are those that are fully vaccinated, and their original boast of 90-95 % efficacy , is a load of old cow poop.
Get boosted if you want, but dont expect it to protect you, and dont expect they wont lock us down anyway (and blame it on those that dont)
Morkai
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One of the problems with the figures at the minute is when theyre telling you so many people in hospital are unvaxxed they are not telling you if they are -
A - admitted for something else and tested positive in hospital.
B - had 2 jabs but not a booster and now classed as unvaxxed.
C - a combo of the two.
Its just a way of spinning it, definition and figure manipulation to suit any proposals you want to put in place.
Then if you even question it people accuse you of being some kind of nut job, conspiracy theorist living in a bunker who doesnt trust science.
A - admitted for something else and tested positive in hospital.
B - had 2 jabs but not a booster and now classed as unvaxxed.
C - a combo of the two.
Its just a way of spinning it, definition and figure manipulation to suit any proposals you want to put in place.
Then if you even question it people accuse you of being some kind of nut job, conspiracy theorist living in a bunker who doesnt trust science.
Rewulf
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Yes.
This has been the case from the very beginning , before covid even allegedly made official landfall, there were various talking heads telling us we have to accept 'the new normal' and scaring people with talk of social distancing and lockdowns. (weirdly , masks were not a big thing at first ...)
Talk of half a million deaths put the willies up most of the population, until it was revealed the modelling used for the figure came off lockdown dodger fergusons 1983 casio calculator.
The 60 day 'died with covid' rule , eventually bought down to 28 days, served its purpose too, vastly inflated the covid death stats also.
Even though the vast majority were in their 80-90s age group, and at least 50,000 of them in residential care.
But even talking about these issues , was either tin foil , flat earther territory (and plenty still do) to some people, or an 'affront to the NHS' ...'costing lives' or some other guilt trippy description.
I do believe the spell is wearing off though, as we realise , the experts werent that expert, and got so much wrong, they couldnt be trusted anymore.
A quick look at the SAGE membership during the whole mess shows what kind of people were dictating our lives.
My Twitter conversation with the chairman of the Sage Covid modelling committee
The latest Sage papers have been published, envisaging anything from 200 to 6,000 deaths a day from Omicron depending on how many more restrictions we’ll get — up to and very much including another lockdown. Earlier today I had an unexpected chance to ask questions of Graham Medley, the chair of...
www.spectator.co.uk
Yep
Dr John Campbell, retired nurse and social influencer, whose doctorate is in nursing education from the University of Bolton.
timbrayford
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The evidence of poor old Jethro is irrefutable however much Whitty and his chums would wish us to believe otherwise.
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