What you have tried to do, in a nutshell, is to deflect the debate away from its core premise.
You state that your position on ivermectin is clear, you don't think ir works,
You still do not get it do you?
Please read and argue with what I have written, and not what you imagine I have said.
I do not think Ivermectin was responsible for the end of the infection spike that occurred just a few days after the change in legislation relaxing the restrictions on its use in Japan. Which is not the same thing as "I don't think it works", at all.
The problem I have with associating these two events is one of the logistics involved. I do not see that it is possible to manufacture, prescribe, supply and distribute sufficient doses of Ivermectin to a sufficient percentage of the Japanese population to cause the plummet in infection rates within a week of the relaxation of restrictions on its use in Japan.
The first event was just a legislative change and not the commencement of a prepared and planned immediate national rollout.
The population were merely being allowed to choose Ivermectin and were no longer to be denied it if they wished.
Hence my repeated question regarding numbers of treatments being used country wide when I first saw the Dr John Campbell's video, and every time I notice
@zambezi or
@Freeforester mentioning the association of these two events.
Given the impossibility of achieving the logistics within the time frame, I think any claim that the two events are related can only weaken any argument for Ivermectin.
so when I asked you what did work in Japan, you swerved that,
I did not swerve it. I said I had no idea. Look at my post.
and accused me, bizarrely, of being aggressive, and demanding answers.
My referring to your demand as aggressive was certainly not bizarre. There are straightforward typographical reasons that it came over as an aggressive demand. Shouting, with the use of capital letters, and no question mark. It is bizarre that even now when they have been pointed out, you claim my description was bizarre. Black is White?
You could have simply ignored me
You chose to quote from my post which was directed specifically to
@zambezi as part of an ongoing dialogue with him. Please note my use of the word "yet" in my question to him. Your post demanded an answer from me. I could have ignored you, but I do not consider that would have been polite.
you would say its unreliable,
I am amazed at your continued use of a Crystal Ball. Do you never learn that you are not in a position to speak for others, or know what they think.
because your confirmation bias refuses to accept it might be responsible for the rapid and sudden drop in japan's covid deaths.
Absolutely nothing to do with confirmation bias...look to yourself and your insistence, despite evidence to the contrary, that you know what I think for an example of that.
It is the impossibility of the logistics required to get sufficient doses to a sufficient percentage of the population, within a week, and on a purely voluntary uptake basis, which prevents me from accepting that Ivermectin might be responsible for the sudden drop in the infection rate.
But I try to have an open mind, and thus have been asking the question regarding the number of treatments in use across Japan to try and establish whether indeed it could be possible. I have been asking this ever since the association of the two events were linked in Dr John Campbell's video.
but I believe you attempted to ridicule zambezi, by asking him to provide information you knew didn't exist.
Which is why I took issue.
Your Crystal ball has let you down again. I have no idea whether the information exists or not, hence the question to
@zambezi as I have already explained.
@zambezi has just mentioned in response to my question...
In terms of placing an empirical value on Ivermectin rate of use in Japan, that is pretty difficult.
...so it would appear there is still none available at the moment.
My post simply repeated my earlier questions to
@zambezi. He knows why I have problems with the association of the two events in Japan, no ridicule involved. If you chose to look back at my posts earlier in the thread you will perhaps see that I have stated that finding proof that Ivermectin was of use against the virus would be great, and I meant it. It doesn't look likely, but it would still be great for the world if it did.
@zambezi has been making it his business to find data concerning covid and Ivermectin, so he is the one that I chose to ask if there is any further info...especially as he mentioned Japan again in his previous post. His response above is that the numbers are still not available...I thanked him for his response. Where is the ridicule?
@zambezi and I have had a reasonably long and mutually respectful relationship on here. Mainly concerning workshop and practical issues. We read covid related research papers very differently and argue about it, but there has never been any hint of disrespect that I am aware. I can imagine his dismay at being "championed" by your rather wild and unpleasant accusations against me.
I note that you have still not answered my questions. These were posed in direct response to your claims and to give you the opportunity to justify them. Not only have you consistently not answered, but you continue to repeat the claims without justification.
"No idea" was my immediate answer to the reason for the low death rate in Japan, even if it is not the answer you want to hear or are able to acknowledge.
Alan
