The most depressing thread ever.

[User00033]

Many moons ago, we were doing some blockwork in a farm building. The farmer was a magistrate. A few nights before he had been at meeting in Wareham and the chief constable was also there. He commented to the CC about how much he(the CC) was drinking. "I can assure you there will be no patrol cars between here and Upwey(where they both lived) tonight". was the CC's reply.

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What the descent into bashing the police has to do with anything I don’t know…

I don’t think we’re necessarily setting out the bash the Police. Just expressing some of the “grey” that has always existed between the supposed black and white of right vs wrong.

I think those of us with certain experiences of living with and/or socialising with Police are pointing out that some of those who take the oath to uphold the law do not necessarily live by the same standards. There is, or at least was, in my experience, a sense amongst the Police that I hung out with that certain laws were “optional”. It has been this way since time began, it will never change. I think back to the drinking culture of the Police that I knew in my 20s and I can’t help feeling that the young fella that is the subject of this thread is being given zero chance of redemption, in the face of rank hypocrisy.

Life just isn’t so black and white. Those of you so quick to banish any thoughts of redemption for this young fella might wanna have a think about that… I just don’t believe that men live their lives so perfectly they have no hidden hypocrisy in their own backgrounds. It’s usually simply a case of they didn’t get caught. I believe Shakespeare wrote a pithy line in Hamlet about this…

 

[kes]

60% of car crashes involving injury relate to driving with drugs in the body and is a criminal offence. Alcohol and driving deficiencies as a result, have been here since Ernest Marples and the first seat belt these deaths are collated seperately. Young men are the biggest killers of young women - almost exclusively in cars.
I have had experience of people dying as a result of the driver on drink or drugs it only has to happen once to your family and whilst you may eventually forgive (I couldn't), its a whole of life sentence.
I knew a woman who's son , (on a bike) was killed by a drunken motorist - she did talks on road safety as a means to deal with her loss - she was very effective.
Driving whilst incapacitated is stupid and not only affects the driver. Its hard to see how one could trivialise this man's crime to the point of allowing him to own and use a gun - age is immaterial almost, mindset and lack of experience also can relate to shooting ?

 

[finnbear270]

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I don’t think we’re necessarily setting out the bash the Police. Just expressing some of the “grey” that has always existed between the supposed black and white of right vs wrong.

I think those of us with certain experiences of living with and/or socialising with Police are pointing out that some of those who take the oath to uphold the law do not necessarily live by the same standards. There is, or at least was, in my experience, a sense amongst the Police that I hung out with that certain laws were “optional”. It has been this way since time began, it will never change. I think back to the drinking culture of the Police that I knew in my 20s and I can’t help feeling that the young fella that is the subject of this thread is being given zero chance of redemption, in the face of rank hypocrisy.

Life just isn’t so black and white. Those of you so quick to banish any thoughts of redemption for this young fella might wanna have a think about that… I just don’t believe that men live their lives so perfectly they have no hidden hypocrisy in their own backgrounds. It’s usually simply a case of they didn’t get caught. I believe Shakespeare wrote a pithy line in Hamlet about this…

Dodgy, Most of the people commenting, giving the guy no chance, are themselves already aware of, and living within, a scale or frame work constructed by the police (Not the government, as the police FLO's make stuff up quite a lot), You give a guy a slap in return for attacking you, you are then under the microscope, You drive with an expired insurance policy whether accidental or not, again under the microscope ... & on up through the scale to DD, DUI, etc ..... along with this there is a timescale that isn't defined properly, simple driving offences like speed or traffic signals are low down the scale & they disappear from your licence after a period, but you still have to declare them, more serious offences will attract a longer period of, shall we say "Forgiveness" & some transgressions like possession of firearms without licence or jail terms exceeding certain lengths bar for life.

 

[User00053]

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I don’t think we’re necessarily setting out the bash the Police. Just expressing some of the “grey” that has always existed between the supposed black and white of right vs wrong.

I think those of us with certain experiences of living with and/or socialising with Police are pointing out that some of those who take the oath to uphold the law do not necessarily live by the same standards. There is, or at least was, in my experience, a sense amongst the Police that I hung out with that certain laws were “optional”. It has been this way since time began, it will never change. I think back to the drinking culture of the Police that I knew in my 20s and I can’t help feeling that the young fella that is the subject of this thread is being given zero chance of redemption, in the face of rank hypocrisy.

Life just isn’t so black and white. Those of you so quick to banish any thoughts of redemption for this young fella might wanna have a think about that… I just don’t believe that men live their lives so perfectly they have no hidden hypocrisy in their own backgrounds. It’s usually simply a case of they didn’t get caught. I believe

 

[User00053]

above reply error, apologies.

 

[User00053]

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I don’t think we’re necessarily setting out the bash the Police. Just expressing some of the “grey” that has always existed between the supposed black and white of right vs wrong.

I think those of us with certain experiences of living with and/or socialising with Police are pointing out that some of those who take the oath to uphold the law do not necessarily live by the same standards. There is, or at least was, in my experience, a sense amongst the Police that I hung out with that certain laws were “optional”. It has been this way since time began, it will never change. I think back to the drinking culture of the Police that I knew in my 20s and I can’t help feeling that the young fella that is the subject of this thread is being given zero chance of redemption, in the face of rank hypocrisy.

Life just isn’t so black and white. Those of you so quick to banish any thoughts of redemption for this young fella might wanna have a think about that… I just don’t believe that men live their lives so perfectly they have no hidden hypocrisy in their own backgrounds. It’s usually simply a case of they didn’t get caught. I believe Shakespeare wrote a pithy line in Hamlet about this…

It’s a fair cop gov, but society is to blame.

 

[ColinJ]

I think the local police should be given a commendation for stopping this young man on the first and only occasion he drove drunk, and two years on, stopping him the first and only time he drove under the influence of drugs.

Hopefully the usual anti-police commentators will join me in celebrating how amazing our (UK) police are. (Unless the convictions are indicative of a pattern of behaviour?)

It would be more relevant if those same anti-police commentators could give us examples of bad behaviour from this century when criticising the police.

 

[delta wolf]

I think the local police should be given a commendation for stopping this young man on the first and only occasion he drove drunk, and two years on, stopping him the first and only time he drove under the influence of drugs.

Hopefully the usual anti-police commentators will join me in celebrating how amazing our (UK) police are. (Unless the convictions are indicative of a pattern of behaviour?)

It would be more relevant if those same anti-police commentators could give us examples of bad behaviour from this century when criticising the police.

Well said! Always the usual suspects and odds on they would call the police if they needed them!

 

[Stalker62]

It would be more relevant if those same anti-police commentators could give us examples of bad behaviour from this century when criticising the police.

When serving my two sentences with DPS - I would lecture the new recruits on all the ways they could drop in the mire.

I would also explain what we could /would/do, to investigate those suspected of 'wrongdoing'.

Part of my fascinating (it should have won awards) lecture, included a brief history of the MPS.

You will know that the Met. was formed on the 29th September 1829.

You may not know that the first Constable to be sacked (PC1) and no, I am not making this up - was sacked on the same day for being "Drunk on Duty".

Not a great start...

The Met's CID was set up in 1878.

Shortly thereafter a DI and DC are sacked for "failing to properly account for a prisoner's sovereigns"...

 

[Stalker62]

Driving whilst incapacitated is stupid and not only affects the driver. Its hard to see how one could trivialise this man's crime to the point of allowing him to own and use a gun - age is immaterial almost, mindset and lack of experience also can relate to shooting ?

Kes/Triton/Kes

I don't agree with much of what you post.

No arguments from me on this one.

 

[kes]

I think the local police should be given a commendation for stopping this young man on the first and only occasion he drove drunk, and two years on, stopping him the first and only time he drove under the influence of drugs.

Hopefully the usual anti-police commentators will join me in celebrating how amazing our (UK) police are. (Unless the convictions are indicative of a pattern of behaviour?)

It would be more relevant if those same anti-police commentators could give us examples of bad behaviour from this century when criticising the police.

Colin,
I am not going to take up your challenge but as you well know, I could.
Nobody 'bashes' the Police, or even BASC - its just like every other group of people there are wrong un's and managers and Chief Cons and Committees who make bad (and a bit mad) policy decisions.
Just as we expect our politicians to be above reproach (reasonable approach), the Police are one other group we expect the absolutely best behaviour from, since they are the Law and corruption of any sort in the Police leaves us feeling powerless and even abused (modern term).
I know well enough the Police are representative of the Communities they serve and many are weeded out as a result some are not (Met for example - recently ). One should never hold offices and officers of State in so high a regard that you are not prepared to criticise them to improve both the Institutions and the means by which they deliver to us.
In my view to have 'rose coloured glasses' when viewing the Police and its processes, allows abuse to develop.
Sensible criticism is always better than bashing - which is why you used the term - no doubt.
The same applies equally to other Countryside Representative Organisations - if they dont do the job they are paid for, get rid of them, try to change them, or let them rip - you choose but don't criticise others for having their own view..

 

[JabaliHunter]

This "privilege not a right" stuff was the relatively recent creation of a HO minister (Damian someone or other, the one that was downloading porn onto the taxpayer's computer). Although miss attributed to Josef Goebbels there is a saying that if you repeat a lie often enough people will come to believe that is is true.

Damian Green computer porn claims: 'Thousands' of images viewed

An ex-detective says he was "shocked" at the amount of porn found on a computer in Damian Green's office.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[User00040]

I know three people who lost their FAC's due to DUI's in Scotland shortly after the limits changed.

All three got them back after re-applying, probably helped that two were keepers and the other was a full time estate stalker.

Lucky not to lose their jobs, although if I remember correctly the drinking may have had something to do with 'work' so their employer may have even helped with legal matters.

 

[foxdropper]

Very strange that some seem to want to defend or turn a blind eye to law breaking .We have laws for a reason ,break them and get caught and you can forfeit something in your life whether freedom ,money or in this case an FL .There are no possible excuses ,circumstances where law breaking is exceptable .
None of us were angels growing up myself included ( no honestly ) but I’d like to think that having got it out my system im now a pillar of society besides none of it was blatant law breaking more bending .
Im glad on this occasion his application was refused denied ,whatever as it shows that at least in parts of the country ,common sense yet prevails.

 

[Stalker62]

I hope MrsS62 is not seriously ill and makes a full speedy recovery, reading your write up from a holiday on an island a couple of months ago she sounded like a hardy, very fit lady.

@Fair Hill

Forgive the tardy response to your post - I have only just 'stumbled on it'.

MrsS62 had spinal surgery and has made an excellent recovery. I was a medic in a previous life, and I have seen the CT images of her 'pre-op'. I have never seen one with the spinal cord so compressed without suffering permanent paralysis.

She was very, very lucky.

Neither of us knew (obviously) how vulnerable she was, when we were on the Isles.

Knowing what I know now, this photograph is not as funny (although it is still funny) as I first thought it was.

I was taking a snap of the Stalker, and did not notice MrsS62 in the background - she, having made it to the summit, was taking a breather. I think most women are tougher than most men. She climbed every damn hill on the islands when she could barely walk.

Lucky lady.

 

[MAH]

2 old convictions, one for DUI and one for driving with cannabis

I haven't seen the original post you refer to, but based on your post, I don't consider the above convictions as "youthful indiscretions".
I see them as part of a relative recent pattern of behaviour that would be inconsistent with firearm ownership.

M

 

[Rake Aboot]

Oh dear
Preaching thread revival time.

 

[Pedro]

 

[Dunwaters]

I haven't seen the original post you refer to, but based on your post, I don't consider the above convictions as "youthful indiscretions".
I see them as part of a relative recent pattern of behaviour that would be inconsistent with firearm ownership.

M

For how long?
Perfection is difficult to maintain, lose it once and you can never ever be perfect again.

 

[jimmer.13]