Available: Non - Lead Expanding Ammunition now Allowed at Bisley

[scrumbag]

Non-Lead Expanding ammo is now OK to use at Bisley (With a bit of a zeroing procedure).

"The following ammunition is permitted on Bisley ranges:
a. Projectiles that are constructed of pure lead, lead alloy, or a lead core with a jacket of gilding metal or soft iron.
b. Non lead-based ammunition (NLA) that is designed to expand is permitted on specified Bisley ranges, to a maximum distance of 300 yards. The ranges authorised for use are: Butt Zero, Century, Short Siberia, Winans Bay B and C (Zero Range), British Sporting Rifle Club (BSRC) Static and Running Deer ranges. A check zero must be conducted as the first activity of any range session:
i. On Winans Bay C (Zero Range) using the range specific NLA zeroing target, which must be signed by both the firer and the RCO/RSO (or Range Office Supervisor)
ii. At 100 yds, using the special 100 yd/m zeroing target, under the supervision of a qualified NRA RCO/RSO
iii. The check zero procedure is as follows:
 Before shooting at any distance greater than 100 yds, the shooter is to demonstrate that the firearm is correctly zeroed by firing a three shot group which must fall within the respective box / aiming mark of the issued target (25 yd/m / 100 yd/m)
 The target is to be fixed on the vertical and horizontal centre lines
 The RCO/RSO shall watch for the impact of the first shot and allow the shooter to continue only if the impact is seen on the stop butt or is recorded on the target. Rounds on target may be adjusted but only the three final rounds are to be counted for the group
 After qualification the target is to be completed and signed by the shooter and the RCO/RSO (or Range Office Supervisor) and returned to the Range Office to be retained for 12 months
c. Further to sub-para b above other lead-free mono-metallic bullets may be used during specific events that are controlled and planned by the NSC. They are otherwise forbidden."

Helps us deer stalkers and pest controllers.

Well done Peter Cottrell and NRA / NSC for this sensible move.

Scrummy

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@Edinburgh Rifles @Yew Tree Fieldsports @David BASC

 

[Sash]

+1
that’s pretty much exactly the same as the process for using an HME rifle at Bisley, and it is perfectly convenient.
I always put a note on my range booking to say that I wish too shoot an HME rifle, and that I am aware I will need to do the proof of zero process: that makes it easier for the range staff.

 

[LarryLightFoot]

Non-Lead Expanding ammo is now OK to use at Bisley (With a bit of a zeroing procedure).

"The following ammunition is permitted on Bisley ranges:
a. Projectiles that are constructed of pure lead, lead alloy, or a lead core with a jacket of gilding metal or soft iron.
b. Non lead-based ammunition (NLA) that is designed to expand is permitted on specified Bisley ranges, to a maximum distance of 300 yards. The ranges authorised for use are: Butt Zero, Century, Short Siberia, Winans Bay B and C (Zero Range), British Sporting Rifle Club (BSRC) Static and Running Deer ranges. A check zero must be conducted as the first activity of any range session:
i. On Winans Bay C (Zero Range) using the range specific NLA zeroing target, which must be signed by both the firer and the RCO/RSO (or Range Office Supervisor)
ii. At 100 yds, using the special 100 yd/m zeroing target, under the supervision of a qualified NRA RCO/RSO
iii. The check zero procedure is as follows:
 Before shooting at any distance greater than 100 yds, the shooter is to demonstrate that the firearm is correctly zeroed by firing a three shot group which must fall within the respective box / aiming mark of the issued target (25 yd/m / 100 yd/m)
 The target is to be fixed on the vertical and horizontal centre lines
 The RCO/RSO shall watch for the impact of the first shot and allow the shooter to continue only if the impact is seen on the stop butt or is recorded on the target. Rounds on target may be adjusted but only the three final rounds are to be counted for the group
 After qualification the target is to be completed and signed by the shooter and the RCO/RSO (or Range Office Supervisor) and returned to the Range Office to be retained for 12 months
c. Further to sub-para b above other lead-free mono-metallic bullets may be used during specific events that are controlled and planned by the NSC. They are otherwise forbidden."

Helps us deer stalkers and pest controllers.

Well done Peter Cottrell and NRA / NSC for this sensible move.

Scrummy

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@Edinburgh Rifles @Yew Tree Fieldsports @David BASC

Thanks for sharing this, I’m about to go through their assessment/probationary process and did wonder about NLA and whether it would finally be allowed.

 

[ashray]

another step in the wrong directionhow long before bisley bans lead !

 

[paul o']

Some go to Bisley only to zero and test loads ! and now they are to be tested if its all ready zeroed what happened to bore sighting this is the way its been done since Bisley opened ? The NRA will be inventing the wheel next .
More Zero and testing hooded butts bays need to be made this time 50mts with targets on recoverable target lanes this will stop the down like we used to have ?

 

[scrumbag]

another step in the wrong directionhow long before bisley bans lead !

Helpful for stalkers I think

 

[scrumbag]

Some go to Bisley only to zero and test loads ! and now they are to be tested if its all ready zeroed what happened to bore sighting this is the way its been done since Bisley opened ? The NRA will be inventing the wheel next .
More Zero and testing hooded butts bays need to be made this time 50mts with targets on recoverable target lanes this will stop the down like we used to have ?

I agree it's a little onerous but I think it's a step in the right direction. (Better than not being able to use them like before...)

I suspect the bore sight and adjust to put rounds where you want them will happen as always. You see it often enough on the zero range at the moment and that's what the BSRC does. I'm pretty sure that's what will have happened on the SRHB day yesterday as well for the dangerous game rifles.

 

[paul o']

Agree but BSRC unlike NRA know how to conduct themselves and long may that club hold the high ground .

 

[scrumbag]

Agree but BSRC unlike NRA know how to conduct themselves and long may that club hold the high ground .

Are we…? Er, thanks… I hope

 

[Sash]

Some go to Bisley only to zero and test loads ! and now they are to be tested if its all ready zeroed what happened to bore sighting this is the way its been done since Bisley opened ? The NRA will be inventing the wheel next .
More Zero and testing hooded butts bays need to be made this time 50mts with targets on recoverable target lanes this will stop the down like we used to have ?

If the target for NLA check zero is anything like that used for HME, it is “generous”, and effectively compares to boresighting.

My experience with HME (I shoot a 9.3x74R express rifle zeroed for 50m) is that it does not imply or require that your rifle is zeroed to match accuracy. Rather, it confirns that, at c.100m, your shots will (= should…) land on the screen and not wizz over the stop butt.

I will try this new system out next time I go to Bisley: I am delighted they are recognising the needs of stalkers, and applying some flexibility To help us.

 

[Jagdmatch]

I agree it's a little onerous but I think it's a step in the right direction. (Better than not being able to use them like before...)

I suspect the bore sight and adjust to put rounds where you want them will happen as always. You see it often enough on the zero range at the moment and that's what the BSRC does. I'm pretty sure that's what will have happened on the SRHB day yesterday as well for the dangerous game rifles.

It did, although it would have been nice to know I could have used non lead yesterday. If you shoot large calibres this is a good day out. As is the BSRC Ashes match.

 

[User00040]

Some go to Bisley only to zero and test loads ! and now they are to be tested if its all ready zeroed what happened to bore sighting this is the way its been done since Bisley opened ? The NRA will be inventing the wheel next .
More Zero and testing hooded butts bays need to be made this time 50mts with targets on recoverable target lanes this will stop the down like we used to have ?

Just stick a fruit/veg box up in front of a tree and draw a cross on it, sorted

 

[Donkey Basher]

Interesting that this procedure has been developed & adopted without any consultation with the NRA Sporting Rifle discipline representative...

 

[paul o']

If the target for NLA check zero is anything like that used for HME, it is “generous”, and effectively compares to boresighting.

My experience with HME (I shoot a 9.3x74R express rifle zeroed for 50m) is that it does not imply or require that your rifle is zeroed to match accuracy. Rather, it confirns that, at c.100m, your shots will (= should…) land on the screen and not wizz over the stop butt.

I will try this new system out next time I go to Bisley: I am delighted they are recognising the needs of stalkers, and applying some flexibility To help us.

This silly rule should then apply to any cal at shot on any range on Bisley camp .

 

[Yew Tree Fieldsports]

another step in the wrong directionhow long before bisley bans lead !

It won’t be Bisley that ban lead. If you read the report they are specifically worried about the european chemicals agency report which is expected to ban lead projectiles in any environment. The powers that be are very worried that without taking steps to allow non lead ammo at bisley ‘it could potentially be the end of target shooting’ not my words, theirs.
In this case I think they should be applauded for making the efforts they have to start the ball rolling for non lead ammo at bisley.

 

[308tikka]

It won’t be Bisley that ban lead. If you read the report they are specifically worried about the european chemicals agency report which is expected to ban lead projectiles in any environment. The powers that be are very worried that without taking steps to allow non lead ammo at bisley ‘it could potentially be the end of target shooting’ not my words, theirs.
In this case I think they should be applauded for making the efforts they have to start the ball rolling for non lead ammo at bisley.

THIS.

 

[scrumbag]

NRA 100 yd Non-lead ammo zeroing target attached.

Quite generous area to be shot so would have thought be OK to get 3 rounds "in the black" even with a load that isn't well developed for the rifle.

ATB, Scrummy

 

[petlowe]

As a regular user of the 25 yard zero card it only comes in 2 flavours of 223 and 308/7.62 and the latter for 143gr and 155gr projectiles which is going to be pretty unreliable for 110-130gr pellets as we use.
That said the marking is for 'on the target' not on the bull, so near enough good enough, they want to see that you have vertical prediction from your elevation more than anything and for that it will do.

I am happy, having done a field zero sitting on a stump with sticks yesterday the best I could do was MOA for a load that I know is 1/4 MOA on a range so it will help with the development process no end, I know the players behind it and they really were advocating for the needs of stalkers.

 

[scrumbag]

As a regular user of the 25 yard zero card it only comes in 2 flavours of 223 and 308/7.62 and the latter for 143gr and 155gr projectiles which is going to be pretty unreliable for 110-130gr pellets as we use.
That said the marking is for 'on the target' not on the bull, so near enough good enough, they want to see that you have vertical prediction from your elevation more than anything and for that it will do.

I am happy, having done a field zero sitting on a stump with sticks yesterday the best I could do was MOA for a load that I know is 1/4 MOA on a range so it will help with the development process no end, I know the players behind it and they really were advocating for the needs of stalkers.

They have a new zero card which is attached to the post above. I think it's basically done that way to keep the MoD happy that these things aren't wanging of into the distance as I understand the MoD doesn't have a set of safety traces for these bullets.

 

[petlowe]

They have a new zero card which is attached to the post above. I think it's basically done that way to keep the MoD happy that these things aren't wanging of into the distance as I understand the MoD doesn't have a set of safety traces for these bullets.

Read the fine print, that's a 100 yard card.....

I imagine there is going to be a rush on for either getting RCO quals or the search for a tame one on most weekends at Siberia.