UK Government Launches UK Deer Management Strategy Consultation

[bottletopbill]

Put a tax on it as they all do our products.

VSS as stated poor choices for the animals also the placement of the shot. Poor gralloching plus poor carcass handling. Who are you talking about other pro stalkers or the average shooter
So why is this meat in the food chain for sale it should be for there own consumption Does not say much for DSC1/2 test
I can only say I have seen one pro stalker who handles and cares about the condition of a carcass No I have not stalked with him but sat and learnt from him in gralloching .

 

[25 Sharps]

Of course, that's what you would be using if they went the whole hog and permitted night shooting without requirement for permits.

No sh*t Sherlock.

Not very sporting though is it and will lead to an increase in poaching as would an increase in venison prices.

The only way to make an effective difference is a mass cull which landowners are forced to partake in. As I said above if they haven’t been able to do it for badgers (no new licences or supplementary lincences are now being issued) there’s not a cat in hell’s chance they’ll be able to do it for deer.

Queue Lee and other folks saying it being sporting is the problem in the first place….

Guess what, some of us enjoy stalking deer not just slaying them.

 

[Leec6.5]

No sh*t Sherlock.

Not very sporting though is it and will lead to an increase in poaching as would an increase in venison prices.

The only way to make an effective difference is a mass cull which landowners are forced to partake in. As I said above if they haven’t been able to do it for badgers (no new licences or supplementary lincences are now being issued) there’s not a cat in hell’s chance they’ll be able to do it for deer.

Queue Lee and other folks saying it being sporting is the problem in the first place….

Guess what, some of us enjoy stalking deer not just slaying them.

I beyond giving a monkeys!

I have numbers to kill, not manage KILL!

What i do is wholesale death and destruction the best i can do it, if you want to fanny about knocking one for the freezer crack on.

 

[User00048]

Night poaching is a regular occurance anyway, so legalising the night culling of deer wouldn't make a difference to that, the people who do just do it regardless. Legalising of permitless night culling, Only makes it easier for authorised persons to cull a number of animals, specifically in cases where during daytime hours even early morning where there is much public activity.. not so much about the changing of deer habitats to solely night feeding but a public safety issue. And yes NE are a big pain to deal with even in that case with the current licensing system, i know this all to well, it is a broken system... they will deal with your application many months late, only to then say " well your figures are now out of date and you need to re do your figures".. months of photographs, surveying, statements from persons etc etc of evidence down the pan.

(Its much the same way as the drug trade is still prevailant throughout the country regardless of it being illegal or how gun crime still occurs outside of the licensed circle of law abiding people like ourselves. Many illegal things continue and thrive regardless of legislation and regardless of the many actually abiding by it)

In this particular case, in my honest opinion, removing the need for licensing will make the world of different to many people in many scenario's. Alot more deer will be culled where they need to be.

As for being sporting, recreational stalkers who wish to take deer in daylight hours can still do so and are not going to be forced to partake in night culling by such legislation change, so it has no effect on them.

 

[nun_hunter]

One potential downside is that if the amount of venison taken to game dealers increases considerably then in all likelihood hood the price paid will drop. This will make no difference to the recreational stalker with their own ground who shoots for pleasure and for food (with maybe a couple carcasses going to a game dealer) but will impact the professionals who rely on stalking for income as there will be even less incentive to shoot deer.

 

[bottletopbill]

When I wrote put a tax on deer did not mean English deer but the ones we Import into Britain from abroad.

 

[308tikka]

One potential downside is that if the amount of venison taken to game dealers increases considerably then in all likelihood hood the price paid will drop. This will make no difference to the recreational stalker with their own ground who shoots for pleasure and for food (with maybe a couple carcasses going to a game dealer) but will impact the professionals who rely on stalking for income as there will be even less incentive to shoot deer.

So? There are too many deer. They need culled. Professionals (in some cases) want to make money from paying clients and good venison prices over their desire to cull sufficient numbers.

I have no sympathy. Other professionals have done the job needed in their areas, dwindling in size of course due to empty promises to landowners (in some cases).

 

[308tikka]

When I wrote put a tax on deer did not mean English deer but the ones we Import into Britain from abroad.

Which will run contrary to recent FTA with some countries, and WTO rules. Which then allows those countries to retaliate in other areas.

The solution is to grow our domestic market, not impede competition.

 

[User00053]

I beyond giving a monkeys!

I have numbers to kill, not manage KILL!

What i do is wholesale death and destruction the best i can do it, if you want to fanny about knocking one for the freezer crack on.

I like your style, different folks with different needs, some up to their nuts in blood and guts where needed.

 

[kieran222]

No sh*t Sherlock.

Not very sporting though is it and will lead to an increase in poaching as would an increase in venison prices.

The only way to make an effective difference is a mass cull which landowners are forced to partake in. As I said above if they haven’t been able to do it for badgers (no new licences or supplementary lincences are now being issued) there’s not a cat in hell’s chance they’ll be able to do it for deer.

Queue Lee and other folks saying it being sporting is the problem in the first place….

Guess what, some of us enjoy stalking deer not just slaying them.

Keeping it sporting reduces the opportunity to cull deer and numbers will only increase with attitudes like yours. The consultation is on ways to bring the numbers back to an acceptable level so a balance between sporting and slaying might be the solution.

Regards,
Sherlock.

 

[308tikka]

Sporting? Get out of the 19th century and wearing tweed with black powder muskets.

Modern rifles, modern sights, modern ammunition and a modicum of talent is highly unsporting.

The deer need killed. In large numbers. Both for human food security, and theirs, not to mention all the other good reasons RTCs etc

 

[User00053]

The rub seems to be what different folks identify themselves as in part, (fear not) without splitting hairs, and what draws them to the world of the deer and like things, bit like the caliber debates, something for most.

 

[25 Sharps]

Keeping it sporting reduces the opportunity to cull deer and numbers will only increase with attitudes like yours. The consultation is on ways to bring the numbers back to an acceptable level so a balance between sporting and slaying might be the solution.

Regards,
Sherlock.

I realise that and I have no qualms knocking everything over that walks out in front of me on the land where I help out with fallow.

Night shooting won’t make a hot of difference, there will be swathes of land where nothing is shot either because people are protecting their ground where they only take a few bucks/stags or where no one is allowed to shoot.

So what is the benefit?

 

[25 Sharps]

I beyond giving a monkeys!

I have numbers to kill, not manage KILL!

What i do is wholesale death and destruction the best i can do it, if you want to fanny about knocking one for the freezer crack on.

You’re so full of yourself it must hurt Lee, what you do on your narrow strip of land makes not a single jot of difference to the overall population in the area, but you are a hero in your own mind so crack on.

I don’t knock one over for the freezer and on the ground I help out with the fallow if it’s legal to shoot it it gets knocked over, as does the next animal and the next. Even on my 2000 or so acres which is roe and munties I’m happy to take multiples.

I’m just under no illusion it’s making a difference on a landscape scale, same as you shooting a few more reds at night will make zero difference to the Population as a whole because there will be big gaps in the landscape where nothing is shot….

But as posted

 

[baguio]

So why is this meat in the food chain for sale it should be for there own consumption Does not say much for DSC1/2 test

Seriously? As you don't need to have completed either to put venison into the food chain you may as well have blamed BASC too whilst you were at it?

 

[25 Sharps]

Sporting? Get out of the 19th century and wearing tweed with black powder muskets.

Modern rifles, modern sights, modern ammunition and a modicum of talent is highly unsporting.

The deer need killed. In large numbers. Both for human food security, and theirs, not to mention all the other good reasons RTCs etc

Human food security? You are joking surely

PS when I’m feeling sporting I stalk with iron sighted rifles….

 

[User00053]

Cannot be long before they get labelled with amplifying or spreading something nasty then they will get lessoned in a big way with no holds barred, best start now before it happens, just need to think of them as a threat with no £ sign. Hard to do if it’s your diesel, truck, or whatever and it’s for love of it, those paying land owners for the pleasure in same boat.

 

[nun_hunter]

So? There are too many deer. They need culled. Professionals (in some cases) want to make money from paying clients and good venison prices over their desire to cull sufficient numbers.

I have no sympathy. Other professionals have done the job needed in their areas, dwindling in size of course due to empty promises to landowners (in some cases).

I agree with you. I doubt any such consultation and whatever comes from it will affect me much if at all and others who don't "have" to shoot deer. If the price drops significantly then it may open more avenues for more stalkers to actually keep what they shoot and eat it.

 

[StephenToast]

I realise that and I have no qualms knocking everything over that walks out in front of me on the land where I help out with fallow.

Night shooting won’t make a hot of difference, there will be swathes of land where nothing is shot either because people are protecting their ground where they only take a few bucks/stags or where no one is allowed to shoot.

So what is the benefit?

For me, and I am guessingother small landowners the benefit of being able to shoot at night and longer/no seasons will mostly be displacement rather than an overall reduction in the population.

 

[25 Sharps]

For me, and I am guessingother small landowners the benefit of being able to shoot at night and longer/no seasons will mostly be displacement rather than an overall reduction in the population.

Which is not what the consultation is trying to achieve at all!

Proves my point that if deer are just getting harassed onto areas that are not shot then it will all be pointless.