Smart meters.

I considered one, but, I'm on Economy 7
And my night storage heaters are digitally controlled, so I have to input the day/night timings.
I asked Octopus energy about this, after many, many emails, they said 'its 00.30-07.30
However, that's if you do go ahead with the smart meter, my meter switched 23.00-00.00 off peak, then 01.00-07.00
Would they accept my information? Like hell, they said thats not possible, I offered them to come to my house at those times, they politely refused, but wouldn't accept it and suggested I go ahead with the smart meter, I don't think so!

I have the same - the times the eco 7 or white meter in scotland start are meant to vary by geography. You can google them.

I think the pople that set them up often get it wrong. Daylight saving? I have found the only way to be sure to watch the meter for a few minutes at the hour its meant to turn on.
 
remove the SIM card and it will revert to a "dumb meter"

By design a smart meter has to have the capacity to cache many days readings so that when there are GSM/tower outages they do not lose data.

These meters are very likely the mechanism by which peak-usage/ESG-defined-eco-vandals will be billed more money. So removing the SIM will likely defer the swingeing penalty, but not avoid it as the time-of-day-usage data will be collated eventually. [probably during a "safety-inspection" when the energy company realise they don't have the crowbar to open your wallet the required width]
 
I prefer to submit my readings myself as I keep a track of monthly usage anyway.
I‘ve got records for just over the last 3yrs and can identify various issues (Mrs LE buying a Lazy-spa🙄) and compare to past readings
Supplier made noises to install a Smart meter but gave up after the fourth rebuke!
 
I love my Smart Meter. I can see all of my consumption and what freezers use most power (quite a shock with a few). A good way of checking if that heater/boiler has been left on in a far away shed or if the heater lamps have tripped.
 
A lot of misinformation here. I recently had an electricity smart meter installed, after careful consideration of the pros and cons. Which are all pros, no cons that I can think of.

1st pro, a big one. My electricity supplier, EDF Energy, sent me a personal e-mail offering me £100 credit to my account if I had one fitted. I had been dithering up till then. They were true to their word, the £100 credit appeared in my account a week later.

Subject: Fancy £100 credit just for having a smart meter fitted?
Have a smart meter installed at no extra cost and we’ll credit your account with £100. Book your smart meter appointment before 03/08/2022 and when your meter has been installed we'll credit your account with £100
£100 bill credit offer - To be eligible you must be a residential customer who has been emailed directly by us with the details of this promotion and you must not have a SMETS2 meter already installed at your property. You'll have to have provided a valid email address.
You must have booked a smart meter install appointment with us by 03/08/2022. Appointments scheduled to take place after 10/08/2022 will still be eligible for the £100 credit if they were booked before this date


I no longer need to submit meter readings. I pay quarterly in arrears, not using direct debit, and often bills were estimated if I had not been able to submit one when needed, for all sorts of lifestyle reasons I won't go into. I am now prepared to set up a monthly direct debit, benefit from the slightly reduced cost for doing that (logical, I am borrowing money for only one month instead of three), and no longer need to budget for a bigger bill every quarter. Knowing that my bills will be accurate, no more dodgy estimation. Pay for what I use, on my standard variable contract, when I use it, not some sort of smoothed out estimated over the year sort of thing.

I can log into my "Energy Hub" from wherever I might be, and see just what I have used each day, or month etc. The in home display also provides this info. Example:
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I agreed to readings every 30 minutes. This does, or should, help the grid understand how the demand varies on a detailed localised level. I can change this period any time I like, from my online account..

And can show me things like this: The peak, BTW, is when my immersion heater in my olde fashioned hot water cylinder kicks in to provide my hot water. I am on "Economy 7" midnight until 7:00 AM. Which suits me, and probably the grid. Baseload nuclear and wind. Washing machine also runs overnight, sometimes I do even turn on the tumble dry function

Have also discovered that it's actually cheaper to do the washing up by filling a kettle or two of water rather than running the immersion heater every day. My dishwasher is broken ATM, but once I fix it it will also run overnight. Likewise wake up at six and take a 10 kW shower on the off peak rate, before seven. Immersion heater is going to get a 7 day programmable timeswitch instead of the daily one, so my luxurious baths once or twice a week are still available, but otherwise don't need to keep all the hot water hot.

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I can also see exactly what every appliance uses, on the in home display, in real time, either in £ or kWh, or instantaneously in Watts. How much a shower costs, boil a kettle, use the combi microwave rather than the main oven, take a big bath (costs less than a long shower BTW). So much more stuff.

I can even deduce from that graph when the fridge/freezer was kicking in and out, hour by hour. I was not at home that day. My base load is a bunch of IT stuff always on, but kept down to about 30W continuous, by attention to detail.

Sure, conspiracy theorists can drive themselves nuts speculating about imagined scenarios.

FWIW, my meter was fitted with a large extra antenna to ensure that it communicates reliably, there is almost no mobile coverage on any network indoors, let alone where my meter is positioned. In a total blackspot for any mobile network. Nevertheless it is working well. These meters do not use the mobile phone network, but a different one, the precise details of which are obscure ATM. They can also "mesh" together, so that a cluster of meters, only a few, even just one having signal, can get the data out, but that requires reasonable uptake in the local area. I suspect that my good install, with the superior antenna, might be doing that for my neighbours down the hill, whose meters were previously not working, but now are.

This is of course a SMETS 2 device. The old SMETS 1 meters have all their own set of problems, interoperability between different suppliers being just one.

SMETS2 meters are interoperable between energy suppliers, one should be able to take over from another seamlessly, if you want to change supplier.

My meter is also compatible with export measuring, should I say install solar. EDF will pay me something like 5.6p/unit of anything surplus, Should I install that in future. Not a lot maybe but if I wasn't using it all in the daytime (probably not given my lifestyle), that would all be grist to the mill. It all adds up. This is entirely separate from the old export guarantee tariffs for solar, which are pretty much gone now.

Whilst they were at it, EDF also upgraded the main fuse to allow me to take 100A, should I want to. Its complicated, my house is on a "loop supply" meaning that a single phase comes into my house, then is looped across to my two neighbours. In total it cannot supply 300A to all three of us, however I have got in first, so I may have the lion's share. They will be stuck with whatever they have, ATM, probably 68A.

OK, I am fairly clued up about all this, an electronic engineer, have the area managers phone number, and he personally came down to supervise the installation. I did tell him that if it was not satisfactory the word would soon enough get out, around my neighbourhood. Whilst his technician/fitter (sorry, they like to be called engineers") got on with it, a slightly tricky installation, took nearly two hours to get it right, we had a good chat about this and that, the pure EV car, and his fitter's pure EV van, how well the EVs were performing for their duties, each had made a 200 mile round trip to do this, no other jobs booked that day. That surely cost EDF far far more than the simple hardware cost OK maybe I was treated specially.

The electricity companies are incentivised (well disincentivised actually if they don't achieve >50% installation in an area, which they have not yet in mine). Possibly why the £100 bribe for me to do it, and maybe informally persuade my diehard refuser neighbours to go along with it Maybe others lower down the hill from me who have previously done so but whose have never worked, might find that they soon start "meshing" with mine.

At the moment smart meters are "free". Well, we are all paying for them added onto everyone's bills. The "government "does not pay for them from some magic money tree. That may not continue forever, and, trust me, sooner or later you are going to have to have one, or stick with something primitive which utterly limits your ability to take best advantage of future energy pricing policies.

Sure, the early implementations were poor if not utterly dysfunctional. But nowadays, for some of us, not yet everyone, they are IMO rather useful. And adequately mature, based on my recent experience, and much more from friends, relatives and neighbours.

I'd say, nowadays, just "get with the programme", there is little to lose and much to gain.

My next step is to get a gas smartmeter fitted. I buy my gas from a different utility company, their smartmeter will link to my electricity meter wirelessly running off it's own internal battery (how long that lasts I dunno, several years anyway) Otherwise it wold have needed to be a separate installation, own mains connection, own antenna etc. which would have been a pain. As it is, I am promised a very simple installation, now that the electricity one is in, working and communicating properly.

Conspiracy theorists will, obviously, disagree, but some actual facts from them seem to be sadly lacking.

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I think this may be a GDPR thing
By requesting access to your meter, they don't mean physical access, rather it would mean them connecting to your smart meter via it's internet connection to see how much energy is being used.
Energy suppliers are, by law, required to inform their customers that they can have a smart meter fitted and many take the approach of making it appear mandatory that customer must have a smart meter fitted.
That is not correct
Whilst the energy supplier is legally required to inform their customers that a smart meter can be fitted, and to arrange fitting if the customer wants a meter, the customer is not legally required to have a smart meter.

Cheers

Bruce
Do you have one, Bruce
 
Non-smart meters are like lead bullets. They're both going to disappear eventually, like it or not. It's the future folks!

Yes, it benefits the energy company a lot more than the consumer. Apart from them being able to charge you at a beneficial rate (for them) there's the obvious saving of paying a man that come around reading meters when people can't be bothered reading their own.
 
Wow that’s great that they would just do that, out of the kindness of their hearts.
It is pretty obvious why EDF offered me £100. Which I took, I'd have been a fool not to. Falling behind target, better to incentivise people like me than pay more for not keeping up with the requirements placed on them. It may also have been an experiment, not everybody I know with EDF got the email offer as I did. Or maybe they didn't need to offer it to everyone, could have overwhelmed them, just enough to scrape inside the target. Actually they had tried it twice before with me, in previous quarters, but I was too lazy to do it then, thought it too much hassle, got to stay in waiting for them, and clear out the garage a bit so they had easy access, too much trouble, anyway probably wouldn't work, not compulsory etc. etc. such was my thought process. But now glad that I did. I did my research and decided I was ready. Very pleased that I did.

FWIW, EDF Energy's target for 2022 was to install another 360,828 domestic electricity smart meters by the end of this year. I reckon that's 1000 per day, working 365 days/year. And that is just for domestic electricity ones, another 247,777 domestic gas meters also on the target for them. I get my gas from a different supplier, they haven't yet offered me a bribe, maybe they are on target for this year ?

Smart annual targets

Whilst it is not yet compulsory, it is probably going to become nearly so, within three years.

Smart meter transition and the Data Communications Company (DCC).

From January 2022 all gas and electricity suppliers will have binding annual installation targets to roll out smart and advanced meters to their remaining non-smart customers by the end of 2025.

Suppliers must publish their annual targets on their websites. Each year the annual targets are re-set based on the proportion of a supplier’s customer base without a smart or advanced meter.

If you are interested in the number of smart meters installed and operated in Great Britain, please see the Smart Meter Statistics that the Department for Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy (BEIS) publishes every quarter.


I'd also suggest you read this open letter to the utility companies.

https://www.ofgem.gov.uk/sites/default/files/2022-03/Smart Meter Open Letter 2022 Final Draft.pdf

Over the past few years I have been told be several energy suppliers that they are coming to fit one
I told them all that I was not legally obliged to accept one and to go away in jerky movements :)

Cheers

Bruce
I suspect that you may be missing out now. Or are just a reactionary curmudgeon. I'd have thought a technical person such as you, would see many of the potential benefits. The worst that can happen is that one might not work in smart mode, if so you are no worse off than with an dumb meter, having to carry on reading it yourself as before. But that is increasingly unlikely.

OK my installation has been a success and I am enjoying pretty much everything it can do for me, being interested and technically minded. For many others they may take little advantage of all that, but nevertheless find even just the most basic information from the in home display useful, if only for managing their budgets.

Plus I am now sitting on £232 credit in my account. £100 from EDF, and 2x£66 from the Government. That should more than pay my quarterly bill come December, and a while after that. Plus I can see it all counting down, by the hour, week, day, or month, with just a glance at my display.
 
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One of the real reasons behind going to smart meters is for the guberment to tax you when charging your car!
They will be losing a huge amount of revenue as people go EV. They will want it back.
To save the planet of course 🤣
 
Smart meters are purely for the energy suppliers profit and governments tax , if opened a signal is sent to the supplier, if disconnected a signal is sent to the supplier, they really are to stop people nicking electricity and to ensure that they know exactly what your using for the people who never send in a meter readings or let meter readers in. The advertising campaign is a farce -because you can see what your using in laymens terms will not save you money! You all know to turn our lights off and that the kettle/oven/hob/electric shower use the most electricity you don’t need a little display to tell you this!
 
If you want to use the monitoring feature of a smart meter you can buy quite cheaply a monitor to fit yourself just clips onto the incoming supply cable 👍
 
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