timbrayford
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But who benefits?
Firearms renewal and grant anyone doing anything about the generally abysmal turnround ?
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Foxyboy43
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Sure thing.
Perhaps you need to think beyond the very obvious horizons? For example what impact do you think a £500 fee would have on those shooters who maybe do not have the disposable income to afford that? Inevitably overall numbers would reduce - probably significantly, leading to obvious reduction in the scale of our shooting and the consequent reduction in RFDs which in turn would impact on availability and cost of guns and ammunition. Less significantly there would also be reductions in demand for guided stalking and thus guides……
In the spirit of SD lets assume your views are genuine and following your logic presumably next it would a specific tax on ammunition and a fee per gun, assuming of course in your world anyone will be allowed more than one firearm or even one at all!
As per advice in other posts you should think long and hard about what you are advocating - I know it is just past Christmas but I wasn’t aware of any other turkeys voting for it or maybe you just like winding people up?
Leec6.5
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i see it as it is, its cheap, too cheap, like i said earlier in the thread, run by an over stretched, under funded public service!In the spirit of SD lets assume your views are genuine and following your logic presumably next it would a specific tax on ammunition and a fee per gun, assuming of course in your world anyone will be allowed more than one firearm or even one at all!
As per advice in other posts you should think long and hard about what you are advocating - I know it is just past Christmas but I wasn’t aware of any other turkeys voting for it or maybe you just like winding people up?
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Len the dog
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Yes, but we don’t want to pay truffles and still get monkeys.
timbrayford
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On the contrary, compared to driving licences it has become hideously expensive
North Wales.
Leec6.5
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Norfolk
Len the dog
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Cleveland were excellent, just sent in my coterminous renewal a few days ago so hopefully they still are.
Len the dog
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It would be interesting to see the statistics on how many people are killed each year by legally owned cars and how many are killed by legally owned firearms, and the percentage of licences for both.
8x57
Distinguished Member
You could also ask how many are driving without a license and how many possess firearms without a license.
timbrayford
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Would the public find a £ 1000 charge for a 10 year driving licence acceptable?
Jeff8861
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What about an feo doing ten visits a day and covering 200 mile. Then back in the office to update the system.
timbrayford
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But who benefits?
I think that we need to wind some necks in here and stop arguing from extreme viewpoints (who'd have thought it on SD)?
Many of the police forces are undoubtedly underperforming on firearms licencing. The outcome of that is there's some inconvenience to certificate holders/applicants. Especially if you don't plan ahead and stock up on your ammo. Although more problematic if you are in a county that currently still doesn't process grant applications and you're after one. But the end of the world is unlikely to occur because of it and most people's shooting will not be affected.
Do these delays endanger public safety? Marginally, if at all I'd say. There's the possibility that time constraints and lack of staff mean corners might be cut and what that might mean if someone unsuitable is given guns (or given them back). The delay in renewals (tops seem to be about a year) mean possibly someone that has become unsuitable in that period still has guns where it might have been picked up. But that I think would be negligible (what effect potential 10 year certificates). The way police forces are these days, much of the delays however I suspect are caused by NOT cutting corners. They are very wary of being sued in most areas of police work these days.
As for the price: They have been pretty constant now for a number of years. Considering the enquiries that have to be done to ensure you are good to go for a certificate, (it's significantly more than calling round for a chat, coffee and Hob Nobs) it's undeniable that the price is eminently reasonable. However, the police are centrally/council funded to ensure public safety and at least some of the cost should come from that. It's their job after all! But, in the near future I can see the cost to the applicant rising. Although Wee Nippy's lot of a 450% odd increase is pretty eye watering and I'm sure includes a political angle. Which, I don't think they've really thought out too well for a lefty government. That's bound to put many low income people out of the running, making firearms ownership in Bonny Scotland more the reserve of the well-heeled. D'oh!
Many of the police forces are undoubtedly underperforming on firearms licencing. The outcome of that is there's some inconvenience to certificate holders/applicants. Especially if you don't plan ahead and stock up on your ammo. Although more problematic if you are in a county that currently still doesn't process grant applications and you're after one. But the end of the world is unlikely to occur because of it and most people's shooting will not be affected.
Do these delays endanger public safety? Marginally, if at all I'd say. There's the possibility that time constraints and lack of staff mean corners might be cut and what that might mean if someone unsuitable is given guns (or given them back). The delay in renewals (tops seem to be about a year) mean possibly someone that has become unsuitable in that period still has guns where it might have been picked up. But that I think would be negligible (what effect potential 10 year certificates). The way police forces are these days, much of the delays however I suspect are caused by NOT cutting corners. They are very wary of being sued in most areas of police work these days.
As for the price: They have been pretty constant now for a number of years. Considering the enquiries that have to be done to ensure you are good to go for a certificate, (it's significantly more than calling round for a chat, coffee and Hob Nobs) it's undeniable that the price is eminently reasonable. However, the police are centrally/council funded to ensure public safety and at least some of the cost should come from that. It's their job after all! But, in the near future I can see the cost to the applicant rising. Although Wee Nippy's lot of a 450% odd increase is pretty eye watering and I'm sure includes a political angle. Which, I don't think they've really thought out too well for a lefty government. That's bound to put many low income people out of the running, making firearms ownership in Bonny Scotland more the reserve of the well-heeled. D'oh!
Leec6.5
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Loosing money hand over fist!
I certainly wouldn’t want to take it on as i viable business thats for sure, you would be bankrupt before your first 5. Years was up!
timbrayford
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But who benefits?
Leec6.5
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the problem with the SD it, its members want everything on a pedestal, now, now, now this minute, and if they do not get it they start a thread and bitch and winge and all the others who agree has another bitch and winge and then someone like me comes along and tells it like it and no one likes it even more!
Well personally i don't care what people think, FAC/SGC are too cheap and the ones who are winging are the ones who have or are running out of ammunition because of pi$$ poor planning!
Leec6.5
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No one benefits!
timbrayford
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The prime beneficiaries of firearms controls are the establishment, it prevents them from being overthrown, and the wider general public in respect of laws intended to restrict access to firearms by those who would commit criminal acts with them and enable prosecution of those who choose to do so. Apart from these general benefits that everyone enjoys the shooting community needs no such legislation to pursue our activities as our ancestors were free to do before the 1920 Act. So in what way is it fair and reasonable to dump the cost of armed crime on us law abiding shooters?
