Driven shoot picking up dog.

[Evolve82]

Evening all, not sure if this is the correct section but...

I have a pretty good gundog that is 9 years old. She is a lovely lab and have learned as much from her as she has from me over the years! I know she has her problems (due to my training skills mostly) but want to try and avoid them when I start over this time.

Now to the point of the post... I am getting an 8 week old yellow lab boy in a few weeks time. He will be used for picking up on driven days like my current dog. My questions really is does anyone know of a complete guide that covers the order of training and commands please?

It would really take the stress out of remember what to do next if I know everything will be covered in its own time!

TIA

 

[Rhodesianjess]

Don't bother with any books, remember that the book is just one chaps way of training his dog. Remember where you went wrong with your present dog and don't repeat.
Watch others on a shoot day,cull tips from what they do. Never be in a hurry with a puppy,they come along at their own speed, some are quicker at picking up training than others.
My puppies spend every day with me at work as a keeper, I usually allow two seasons before I trust them out of sight. They respond to me and my way of training, what works for me doesn't necessarily work for others in their situation.
Never hurts to ask someone who's dogs are well behaved for help with a specific problem, most people are happy to offer advice. However keep an open mind, some advice best ignored
Wishing you well with your puppy, nothing better than training your own dog and other people admiring it's capabilities, knowing that it's down to your patience, repetition and perseverance. Two seasons worth of that for the next ten years of hassle free ownership.

 

[Evolve82]

Don't bother with any books, remember that the book is just one chaps way of training his dog. Remember where you went wrong with your present dog and don't repeat.































































Watch others on a shoot day,cull tips from what they do. Never be in a hurry with a puppy,they come along at their own speed, some are quicker at picking up training than others.































































My puppies spend every day with me at work as a keeper, I usually allow two seasons before I trust them out of sight. They respond to me and my way of training, what works for me doesn't necessarily work for others in their situation.































































Never hurts to ask someone who's dogs are well behaved for help with a specific problem, most people are happy to offer advice. However keep an open mind, some advice best ignored































































Wishing you well with your puppy, nothing better than training your own dog and other people admiring it's capabilities, knowing that it's down to your patience, repetition and perseverance. Two seasons worth of that for the next ten years of hassle free ownership.















Tha for that. Pretty much what i am going to do after lots of consideration. I'm not in a rush as my dog is still working nicely- albeit slower than before!

 

[jim_allen_uk]

Gundog app by Ben Randell.

Expensive per month but very good. You should be able to get through most of the content in 1-2 months subscription and then just get an additional month later on down the line as your dog progresses.

 

[Covert]

Mostly common sense, each pup is different, use a book/books to get an idea then use what you think. Take advice from people with good dogs.
It’s not training it’s conditioning, make it so they can’t get it wrong.
Most importantly be consistent with them. Praise when good show disapproval when bad.
keep it fun they want to have to do it.
Spend as much time as possible with the pup.
Ideally have a kennel if possible, much more practical, also they don’t t get into bad habits. Always come out of the kennel fresh and pleased to see you and as importantly have chance to absorb stuff when put back in. Less chance of mucking him up. Still have him indoors to socialise with family etc. Need to be as worldly wise as possible.
If he is bred properly he should have all the natural retrieving / hunting abilities , you just need to harness it.
Can’t emphasise how important to install the basic sit, recall and walk to heel.
I use positive enforcement, basically food treats. Get him to respond to voice whistle and hand signals , you can never do to much the trick being it is fun and not a drag. Little and often. Best trainers I know are very quiet with a dog , use of eye contact so important you don’t have to shout.
My pups are with me as much as possible , in and out of vehicles, walking miles at heel, try to install manners asap, going through gates etc.
Be patient. If you have a set back , finish on something positive then go back to basics for a few days and try again.
Can’t emphasise how important the sit, recall and walking to heel is.
When start to introduce retrieving can be early , don’t be in a hurry to snatch it off him , let him hold it in his mouth as long as possible, constant praise and get into the habit of using the wind so he uses his nose.
Also f he is a peg dog further down the line be able to sit him down and throw dummy’s around him then most importantly pick them up yourself.
My old dogs can be at a distance and as soon as you blow the stop whistle they still just freeze.
One of my sons got a part trained year old lab, has so much natural ability, one of the best game finding hunting dogs I have seen. Didn’t have the basics installed and therefore can’t be trusted not to run in, chase ,sit recall etc.
Best of luck and enjoy, nothing more satisfying than having a good dog you trained yourself

 

[willie_gunn]

If you do want a book, I'll give another shout out for Lez Graham:

Amazon product ASIN 1916339808

 

[bullet chucker]

If your happy with your older dog you can always run the apprentice along side to learn that little faster BUT' and and a big but watch out for the bad side of the old dog, the youngster will pick those up faster than you can blink an eye. Good luck!

BC.

 

[Evolve82]

If your happy with your older dog you can always run the apprentice along side to learn that little faster BUT' and and a big but watch out for the bad side of the old dog, the youngster will pick those up faster than you can blink an eye. Good luck!
BC.



Yes. Maybe not a good idea on a shoot day but training and dummy work yes.

 

[Evolve82]

Gundog app by Ben Randell.



Expensive per month but very good. You should be able to get through most of the content in 1-2 months subscription and then just get an additional month later on down the line as your dog progresses.

Who is it by please? Can't seem to find it.

 

[Tazz]

Evening all, not sure if this is the correct section but...

I have a pretty good gundog that is 9 years old. She is a lovely lab and have learned as much from her as she has from me over the years! I know she has her problems (due to my training skills mostly) but want to try and avoid them when I start over this time.

Now to the point of the post... I am getting an 8 week old yellow lab boy in a few weeks time. He will be used for picking up on driven days like my current dog. My questions really is does anyone know of a complete guide that covers the order of training and commands please?

It would really take the stress out of remember what to do next if I know everything will be covered in its own time!

TIA

Post some pictures when you get him, everyone loves a Lab pup

 

[jim_allen_uk]

Who is it by please? Can't seem to find it.

https://apps.apple.com/app/id1547805332

 

[sako85708]

The best help I found was joining a local gun dog club and joining one of their puppy classes then moving on with the classes as the dog gets older , also speak to "Pickers up" on a local shoot most are always keen to help . Just remember training a good dog takes TIME and more time, and remember a bad dog is the owners fault not the dog !! Good luck

 

[countrryboy]

Personally i'd read quite a few books or get dvds ( althou that would soon get expensive) , yes the books are only 1 persons idea but in general the principles are broadly the same.
But yes some peoples techinques may be out of date nowadays and some trainers styles wont suit some owners or dogs so u just have to mix up wot u best find suits u and ur dog.

To be fair its not rocket science, consistancy is probably the 1 of the main key things no matter wot style u chose, u even have a pot of boys using placeboards now


I'd also echo wot sako says above about either joining a decent gundog club or getting some 1-1 training with a decent trainer, assuming u don't have any mates u shoot with are half decent with their own dogs.
I learnt a lot when i started going to the local gundog club, esp as a novice if they have a good trainer well worth wile.
With my earlier mutts i even went to the local obedience classes in village hall, just for basic obedience/distraction training, know wot commands u want to use before u go thou, but for walking to heel and recall with noise/distraction well worth it

I'd be very wary of training ur 2 dogs together, even walking the youngster with the older dog might not be ideal if ur older dog is not great in the heel position.
Generaslly dogs only ever learn bad habits of other dogs no matter how many good are also there.
Althou the 2 things i do think an older dog is great for is intro whilke they still think there playing, 1 recall whistle, wait till pup just over taking nig dog when free running and toot them back, they will race the big dog back to u. 2 intro to water, same again nice warm suny day and shallow water let dogs play and send ur old dog into the shallows

U say u want a picking up dog, and while it might sound the same but it sounds more like a peg dog, peg dogs are usually a lot better trained and steadier than a picking up dog and u probably wont need or be wanting it to hunt as hard or handle/rake at such distance as wot i'd cll a picking up dog.


The only word of caution i'd give is generally if something makes common sense it wont be far away, be a lot ofwannabe pros and esp internet experts out there claiming they have ran dogs for 20, 30, 40 years, it dosenae make any difference.
I know heaps of old men now who i have seen there dogs over the last 30 or 40 years, some are as sh#te now as they were 30 years ago, more often than not as they let there old dog train there young dogs.

Like most things in life and even truer with animals/gundogs every day is a school day and u never know it all, always ways to improve and make things easier

 

[JohnIS]

When dog training, my experience has been to do training in short sessions ten to fifteen minutes at a time, young dogs cannot concentrate for long just like children!
also I find that if you go on for longer your own concentration begins to falter. Do as many sessions in a day as you wish just make them short . Also when you are wanting to relax yourself put it on a lead then you know where it is . Remember when the dog is on a lead you have full control, don't be too proud to put it on a lead when you first take it out in public . I limit myself to no more than three retrieves a session, all gundogs are retrievers and it is instinctive for them to retrieve.
If you want to instill steadiness throw the dummy and pick it yourself while it remains sitting. work hard on heel work I found walking in tight circles and figures of eight
kept their mind on the exercise as you were always changing direction and kept them on their toes.
Good luck a well trained dog is a pleasure for the owner and the rest of the shooting team.

 

[Wilbur]

Get the dvd from John halstead not the advanced one,if you’re picking up it’s all you will need

 

[Pelyma]

Get yourself a good trainer, a book can't tell you that you what you are doing wrong and spotting your errors (they will be yours) is how you make the quickest progress and end up with the best dog.

 

[EssBee]

Evening all, not sure if this is the correct section but...

I have a pretty good gundog that is 9 years old. She is a lovely lab and have learned as much from her as she has from me over the years! I know she has her problems (due to my training skills mostly) but want to try and avoid them when I start over this time.

Now to the point of the post... I am getting an 8 week old yellow lab boy in a few weeks time. He will be used for picking up on driven days like my current dog. My questions really is does anyone know of a complete guide that covers the order of training and commands please?

It would really take the stress out of remember what to do next if I know everything will be covered in its own time!

TIA

Find yourself a good dog training class for lots of basic obedience training should take about 18 months. Then find a gundog club with its own trainer. Don't for god's sake take the dog anywhere near a gun until it's at least 12 months old. I've seen chaps taking puppies to clay shoots and seen puppies almost wincing at the sound of bangs - take it easy don't rush the animal. Let your puppy enjoy it's play.

 

[williamwansbeck]

Sit,Stay ,Recall, Recall,Recall repeat as many times as necessary for 2 years ,job done.

 

[James0586]

Get the David Latham DVD’s they will show you what you need. Then get a trainer to over look the later stages.

 

[Evolve82]

Get the David Latham DVD’s they will show you what you need. Then get a trainer to over look the later stages.



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