Here we f&&king go !😔

[sauer]

Plymouth shootings: Major reform of gun laws needed - coroner Plymouth shootings: Major reform of gun laws needed - coroner


When will the folk in charge realise we don’t need new reform or tighter controls!

We need more investment in current rules !
They cut the purse string so much the system unworkable !

And they think more “rules” are needed!

Just enforce the rules we have … properly!!!

Paul

 

[paul o']

Did't his own family not beg the police not to give him a cert ???
Q
Speaking after an inquest jury concluded that Davison, 22, unlawfully killed five people, the bereaved relatives said the attack was “pure evil” but argued it was facilitated by systemic failings and incompetence. end
Q
have accused the police of giving him a “licence to kill” by allowing him to have a shotgun despite a known history of violence .end

We the law abiding did't fail under the laws as set out that we have to abide by. The Desk jockeys are the ones that failed ! but its us that will pay for there Incompetence in the end !

 

[Tazz]

Nothing wrong with the current laws and requirement, this tragic case was an example of a complete failure to follow and enforce the process not a failure of the process, they are two very different things

 

[Morkai]

I suppose a reform is needed, not a reform in the sense of scrapping it all but getting the police to follow the guidance already in place and getting themselves trained.

This doesn't necessarily mean negative things for us, more that the police stop making things up as they go along which makes it easier for everybody.

We have many threads here where the opinion of a FEO or authority doesn't fit with what is required.

 

[Liveonce]

Think the coroner is having a go at the police rather than calling for new laws

“The coroner said there had been an "abject failure" to adequately train police officers and staff involved in firearms and shotgun licensing decisions over nearly three decades.
He cited numerous recommendations between 1996 and 2019 regarding a lack of formal training that were not followed through.”
.……..

 

[Morkai]

Think the coroner is having a go at the police rather than calling for new laws

This!

 

[User00035]

Nothing wrong with the current laws and requirement, this tragic case was an example of a complete failure to follow and enforce the process not a failure of the process, they are two very different things

The logic will be that if there is no civilian gun ownership, there will be no need for licensing procedure and administration.
Just leave untraceable black market firearms in the hands of criminals because that doesn't require any paperwork.

 

[User00035]

I suppose a reform is needed, not a reform in the sense of scrapping it all but getting the police to follow the guidance already in place and getting themselves trained.

This doesn't necessarily mean negative things for us, more that the police stop making things up as they go along which makes it easier for everybody.

We have many threads here where the opinion of a FEO or authority doesn't fit with what is required.

It would certainly help if those who administer firearms licensing actually knew something about firearms.
Every FEO should be an active or retired shooter with many years experience rather than a serving police officer who has been promoted or moved sideways from within.

 

[Morkai]

It would certainly help if those who administer firearms licensing actually knew something about firearms.
Every FEO should be an active or retired shooter with many years experience rather than a serving police officer who has been promoted or moved sideways from within.

Wouldn't it be easier for everyone.
My FEO is a deer man so its quite nice.

 

[Liveonce]

It would certainly help if those who administer firearms licensing actually knew something about firearms.
Every FEO should be an active or retired shooter with many years experience rather than a serving police officer who has been promoted or moved sideways from within.

Mine is ex army and does clay shooting, he told me has never received any formal training, just on the job training which by any normal industrial type of skilled job is crazy.

 

[VSS]

Plymouth shootings: Major reform of gun laws needed - coroner Plymouth shootings: Major reform of gun laws needed - coroner


When will the folk in charge realise we don’t need new reform or tighter controls!

We need more investment in current rules !
They cut the purse string so much the system unworkable !

And they think more “rules” are needed!

Just enforce the rules we have … properly!!!

Paul

Read the article, not just the headline.
The coroner is not recommending tighter legislation. He's recommending that the police be properly trained to implement the rules that we already have, and that those rules are properly applied. Nothing wrong with that.

 

[User00035]

Read the article, not just the headline.
The coroner is not recommending tighter legislation. He's recommending that the police be properly trained to implement the rules that we already have, and that those rules are properly applied. Nothing wrong with that.

Good on the coroner (maybe he is a shooting man..?). Lets hope the politicians are listening.

 

[Malxwal]

My cynical thinking would be that if there were less/no guns in public ownership, there would be no need to waste money on training and operating firearms departments, less money spent on Police. Also an appeasement of the wokerati anti gun lobby. Win win for your avergage spineless politcian happy to throw personal freedoms on the sacrificial pire.

 

[paul o']

Back in the day when we had pistols pre getting the blame and having the stolen from us the F .L. O's would come to the range and handle guns and shoot and go away understanding what a pistol , rifle or shotgun was and what they look like and there role as a sporting device.
May if there is a flo / bobby reading this could they tell us if this is still the case.

 

[User00040]

My cynical thinking would be that if there were less/no guns in public ownership, there would be no need to waste money on training and operating firearms departments, less money spent on Police. Also an appeasement of the wokerati anti gun lobby. Win win for your avergage spineless politcian happy to throw personal freedoms on the sacrificial pire.

'Low hanging fruit' if there ever was one, or 'cheap points' if you are a politician!

 

[User00053]

Would think whatever powers that be that are involved will have to be seen to be doing something or other if system failed and as a result people died directly because of a failure.
Do as they wish to improve whatever no doubt from time to time some mentally unstable person will emerge and cause harm or death by shooting with legally owned guns or firearms just law of averages.

 

[Len the dog]

From what I read, the coroner was blaming the Police for their failure in following and applying the existing rules, but the newspaper sensationalised it in their headline by inferring that the coroner was calling for tighter controls.

 

[Mike L]

Plymouth shootings: Major reform of gun laws needed - coroner Plymouth shootings: Major reform of gun laws needed - coroner


When will the folk in charge realise we don’t need new reform or tighter controls!

We need more investment in current rules !
They cut the purse string so much the system unworkable !

And they think more “rules” are needed!

Just enforce the rules we have … properly!!!

Paul

Did you even read the article??…… talk about drama queen

 

[Dalua]

Did you even read the article??

Read the article, not just the headline.
The coroner is not recommending tighter legislation. He's recommending that the police be properly trained to implement the rules that we already have, and that those rules are properly applied. Nothing wrong with that.

This is a frightful tragedy, and it isn't surprising that the coroner has found areas for potential improvement. There are indeed parallels with the Dunblane horror, where opportunities for prevention provided for under existing law might also have been missed - and he certainly is making helpful recommendations concerning the administration of the Act by the police.

These bits caught my eye, though:

The report said the wording of the law - which states that firearms and shotgun licences "shall be granted" unless certain requirements are not met - was "at odds with public safety".
He (the coroner) said the law should aim to reflect that owning a gun was a "a privilege and not a right".

and

The coroner said there was an "unacceptable risk" that licensing units would continue to be under-resourced unless the cost of processing an application becomes self-funding.
The inquest heard the price of a shotgun licence was £79.50 - but the cost to police forces of processing an application could be more than £500.

Under current law, firearms ownership is indeed a right - but I can't see that altering that would help at all. The comments about the statutory fee (not 'price' as the BBC calls it) is also rather misplaced, as it suggests that lawful firearms owners alone should be paying for something which is in fact a public good, rather than a benefit to solely to themselves.

I'll be interested to see what the HO comes up with in response.

 

[Norfolk Deer Search]

Plymouth shootings: Major reform of gun laws needed - coroner Plymouth shootings: Major reform of gun laws needed - coroner

Hate to say it but I said this would happen!

It’s only going to get worse in the long run.