Lynx reintroduction workshop Dunfries and Galloway

Plenty of islands not on the main land where initial trials could be done if habitat suitable and could be a great tourist attraction and if numbers increased possible limited trophy culls. Possible fatalities among people but in time would become the norm and accepted.
Don’t know what all the fuss is about🙂
Possibly help to keep the litter throwing, bbq using city dwellers, at home!
 
There is a lot of studies and it has been successfully re introduced elsewhere.

But I think big issues about how relevant studies are due to different farming and forestry practices in the UK, rsp uplands.
So still a lot to learn and most only by actually releasing them.

There was 1 slide with a graph of sheep losses due to lynx, for some reasons Norway losses were far far higher than Sweden despite it having more lynx.
For me the reasons for such high numbers weren't explained.
And the sheep farmer bloke said they're are instances of lynx entering sheds to kill sheep in Norway. Dunno if rogue lynx or not that's a massive red flag.

I didask the sheep farmer lad hypothetically if
Snh or whoever agreed on some compo even if worth 2 or 3'X value of stock lost and no quibbles,ie taking financial loss out of it he was still dead against it. And said with smaller hefted flocks u can't just buy new stock to replace them.

Just so many variables hard to know wot would happen.

They say a combination of dogs and fencing can seriously reduce predation, but I can't see either working in uk, as sheep are never in forestry and dogs would be a nightmare legally but how many would u need when sheep spread over thousands of acres.

Just thinking dunno how much bracken there is in Europe, that could be the ideal habitat for an ambush hunter, not good for sheep.
There are a difference in sheep farming in Norway they have much more sheeps and they are also on the fells. In sweden its mostly hobby farmers who has some sheep but not as their primary work. Norways government care more about the countryside than the Swedish, the oilfund helps too. Then I was young a farmer who lived on sheep had his in the forest it would never be possible now mostly for bear here in the north (bear, lynx, wolf, wolverines and eagles they have increased their populations in the last 30 years).
 
The more u think about it I just can't understand wot drives them to release lynx.

A lot of very real negatives and very few positives.

I just can't understand why they don't throw there weight behind helping the Scottish wildcar, possibly the rarest species on the planet.
Surely it is worth attempting to save it?

Has very few negatives, u know the habitat is there.
All it needs is a law that all domestic pet cats within wild cat areas need to be neutered and the biggest problem solved.
Good to see snp/greens rush that throu holyrood some day
 
The more u think about it I just can't understand wot drives them to release lynx.

A lot of very real negatives and very few positives.

I just can't understand why they don't throw there weight behind helping the Scottish wildcar, possibly the rarest species on the planet.
Surely it is worth attempting to save it?

Has very few negatives, u know the habitat is there.
All it needs is a law that all domestic pet cats within wild cat areas need to be neutered and the biggest problem solved.
Good to see snp/greens rush that throu holyrood some day
Could be too late in general to stop their demise, found a litter of cats nearly twenty years ago way out on the hill she at distance looked the real deal but one or more kittens were black!
 
Could be too late in general to stop their demise, found a litter of cats nearly twenty years ago way out on the hill she at distance looked the real deal but one or more kittens were black!

Quite possibly but would be nice to try.
Makes more sense than releasing lynx.

Surely that would tick even more ego boxes as even rarer or they could release some, that would really tick the boxes
 
Could be too late in general to stop their demise, found a litter of cats nearly twenty years ago way out on the hill she at distance looked the real deal but one or more kittens were black!
They get everywhere.🌚
Saw it myself the other side of river from your old place.😹
 
If anyone ever releases Lynx into Scotland or anyplace else within the UK , they should be locked up and the key thrown away . WE HAVE TOO MANY ROADS , FARMING INTRESTS AND FOLKS WHO JUST DONT UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE IN PETS AND WILD PREDITORY ANIMALS !
The landscape and population in the UK has changed totally from the days Lynx roamed free in the uk .
 
Not convinced it would be fair on the lynx but would leave that to the experts only good thing not happening near me and could be interesting to watch developments from a safe distance if they get established in Scotland.
Seems pretty pointless to me but not my shout and hey ho!
 
I suspect that a lot of the support and desire for lynx reintroduction comes from Dr David Hetherington, whose doctorate subject at Aberdeen Uni was concerned with lynx in Scotland. I had the misfortune to go to school with him; I thought that he was a d*** then and he probably still is.
He is now head ecologist for the Cairngorms national park and a board member of trees for life. I don’t know why he and others are so keen on lynx but they are.
 
So, even the "experts" can't agree, with The Woodland Trust and Rewildng Britain staying lynx died out in the UK in the 1300's but other reports stating they were here until the 1600.'s.

Whatever date you use they were hunted to extinction due to conflict with Man. Taking the later day, 1600, the UK had a population of 4 million. We now have 67m and rising (rapidly). So, close on 20x the population. Do they really think there will be less conflict with Man???
 
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So,even the first "experts" can't agree, with The Woodland Trust and Realising Britain staying lynx died out in the UK in the 1300's but other reports stating they were here until the 1600.'s.

Whatever date you use they were hunted to extinction due to conflict with Man. Taking the later day, 1600, the UK had a population of 4 million. We now have 67m and rising (rapidly). So, close on 20x the population. Do they really think there will be less conflict with Man???
Think they would have to spread a lot of honey in rural areas where released if it ever happens and no doubt get locals on board to sing the company song.
 
If the lynx you are discussing are anything like Canadian lynx they will be little problem. Our lynx are practically invisible. Very unlikely to see one. They prey on rabbits,grouse and mice. They have never been known to take sheep. Cougars , bears and wolves should concern you as they can and have killed people.
 
cant even look after or concentrate on what we currently have thats in dire need!

wildcats & caper !

but then if they go its a money spinner to try get them back....again !

Paul
 
If the lynx you are discussing are anything like Canadian lynx they will be little problem. Our lynx are practically invisible. Very unlikely to see one. They prey on rabbits,grouse and mice. They have never been known to take sheep. Cougars , bears and wolves should concern you as they can and have killed people.
The Lynx we have in Sweden can take down fallow deer sized deer, roe deer being their main quarry. They are not unknown to attack hunting dogs.
 
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