NatureScot Research Report 1333 - Deer management skills and capacity - initial scoping report

[jcampbellsmith]

Another Forum member brought this report to my attention this morning.

NatureScot Research Report 1333 - Deer management skills and capacity - initial scoping report

This report discusses the capacity to manage deer in Scotland. Although focussed primarily on the human resource, it outlines some physical resource requirements required for the future.

www.nature.scot

Regards
JCS

 

[rem284]

Wow! I didn't know there was so many word, numbers and stats could be written about deer.

 

[mealiejimmy]

It was written by a private consultant and he's getting paid by the word
Never use one word when seven will do

Cheers

Bruce

 

[User00053]

Well that’s the first step in the theory done few more like that and ready to move forewords with the nitty- gritty.

 

[Overlay]

The plot thickens, at least the police haven't as yet coughed up areas in relation to deer calibres held, there’s more to come on this without a doubt

 

[VSS]

It's an interesting read.

 

[User00040]

Wow! I didn't know there was so many word, numbers and stats could be written about deer.

You are on SD tho???

 

[User00053]

Seriously wonder if they have a predicted shot to kill ratio with a variance in sika, apologies if I missed it on quick read through.
Still looks like step in the right direction for some and tears for others but a interesting and informative read and not without detailed data in areas mentioned.

 

[rem284]

Seriously wonder if they have a predicted shot to kill ratio with a variance in sika, apologies if I missed it on quick read through.
Still looks like step in the right direction for some and tears for others but a interesting and informative read and not without detailed data in areas mentioned.

Surely 1 shot, 1 kill. If I predicted anything else then I wouldn't shoot. Or do you mean hours to secure sika compared to hours to secure other species of deer

 

[User00053]

Surely 1 shot, 1 kill. If I predicted anything else then I wouldn't shoot. Or do you mean hours to secure sika compared to hours to secure other species of deer

Quite, but does not always work out that way especially if missed completely for whatever reason and shooting volume over time things do and will go wrong just part and parcel. Just an interest in 50,000 deer and allotted ammunition to do so in the great scheme of things, may not even be a consideration

 

[Taff]

Surely 1 shot, 1 kill. If I predicted anything else then I wouldn't shoot. Or do you mean hours to secure sika compared to hours to secure other species of deer

I know it’s not the same but in the early days in NZ it was three to one, when using 303 and ex military ammo, mind you , you we’re expected to keep shooting until they went over the hill or were all dead.
A friend of mine Thermal shooting at the moment is close to 1.5 per deer ( you may double tap to prevent them going into the bush or fall down a ravine)

 

[User00040]

I know it’s not the same but in the early days in NZ it was three to one, when using 303 and ex military ammo, mind you , you we’re expected to keep shooting until they went over the hill or were all dead.
A friend of mine Thermal shooting at the moment is close to 1.5 per deer ( you may double tap to prevent them going into the bush or fall down a ravine)

Hope it's all copper ammo

 

[User00053]

I know it’s not the same but in the early days in NZ it was three to one, when using 303 and ex military ammo, mind you , you we’re expected to keep shooting until they went over the hill or were all dead.
A friend of mine Thermal shooting at the moment is close to 1.5 per deer ( you may double tap to prevent them going into the bush or fall down a ravine)

That’s a good kill rate I would imagine in anyone’s book, have a decent thermal scope and watch a few through it and on open ground which you know, would say it would be a devastating surgical tool in the right hands.
Be interested to know if using thermal increases number of shots if dealing with herd species before the remainder leg it, or similar to lamp just dazzled swirling round for a short while.
Would imagine thermal scope and roe on open familiar ground are a match made in heaven. Copper and licence of course

 

[foxhunter]

That’s a good kill rate I would imagine in anyone’s book, have a decent thermal scope and watch a few through it and on open ground which you know, would say it would be a devastating surgical tool in the right hands.
Be interested to know if using thermal increases number of shots if dealing with herd species before the remainder leg it, or similar to lamp just dazzled swirling round for a short while.
Would imagine thermal scope and roe on open familiar ground are a match made in heaven. Copper and licence of course

I would imagine you would soon sort out the roe with thermal on arable land.
I also would imagine getting off multiple shots at herd species

 

[User00053]

I would imagine you would soon sort out the roe with thermal on arable land.
I also would imagine getting off multiple shots at herd species

And on edges of moorland adjacent to woodland when they go walkabouts of an eve, have been watching some through thermal for some time with different colour palates and studying detail of both sexs at various distances and playing with reticle and mag for shot placement reckon it would be clinical.
Though roe mentioned have nothing to fear from me day or night .

 

[Taff]

That’s a good kill rate I would imagine in anyone’s book, have a decent thermal scope and watch a few through it and on open ground which you know, would say it would be a devastating surgical tool in the right hands.
Be interested to know if using thermal increases number of shots if dealing with herd species before the remainder leg it, or similar to lamp just dazzled swirling round for a short while.
Would imagine thermal scope and roe on open familiar ground are a match made in heaven. Copper and licence of course

Much easier than a lamp, watching the videos, in one field over two evenings 17 fallow collected, on bush land you just stake out the hill, no doubt on the large east coast stations in northland ,helicopter shooting is the most efficient, but they don.t retrieve the deer, with one station culling over 1000 in apparently a couple of days

 

[User00053]

Much easier than a lamp, watching the videos, in one field over two evenings 17 fallow collected, on bush land you just stake out the hill, no doubt on the large east coast stations in northland ,helicopter shooting is the most efficient, but they don.t retrieve the deer, with one station culling over 1000 in apparently a couple of days

Place must be jumping, hope they leave you a good few to enjoy.

 

[Taff]

If you know the farmers and have the time, it’s open season for one and all, embarrassing as it is, I have taken to accepting free venison when offered as we have no deer on my permission only goats and pigs.

 

[User00053]

If you know the farmers and have the time, it’s open season for one and all, embarrassing as it is, I have taken to accepting free venison when offered as we have no deer on my permission only goats and pigs.

Still got something to go at when time allows, sounds like a lot of pest species and could spend much precious time shooting using a lot of expensive ammo and get no result though guess it would be fun at first for a while.

 

[EckyP243]

Another Forum member brought this report to my attention this morning.

NatureScot Research Report 1333 - Deer management skills and capacity - initial scoping report

This report discusses the capacity to manage deer in Scotland. Although focussed primarily on the human resource, it outlines some physical resource requirements required for the future.

www.nature.scot

Regards
JCS

Thanks for sharing. It’s more fluff and BS from a quango that needs binned. So many words have been typed and yet with ALL the resources they've had at their disposal. Like the bottle return scheme….they’ve failed again…and again…and should be closed down. At least from a deer management perspective. The ‘North Star’ rhetoric needs to change. It’s still ‘Net Zero’ and for me that leaves us all at floor zero.