kingstonandy
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What is the groups opinion of the "LANTRA approved" ADM courses offered by Jelen?
Worthwhile?
Well regarded?
Worthwhile?
Well regarded?
Advanced deer management course - Opinions?
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monarman
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Very worthwhile.... and fwiw.... im sure it went a little towards me getting my job as a fulltime deer and Wildlife Manager on a large estate....
It's a good course that will give you a fair bit of knowledge, and covers all aspects of actual management rather than just deerstalking.... and Lantra is the recognised industry qualification (all my work training is Lantra ) and goes way above any dsc (which is now a mockery tbh).... go to a landowner with a dsc and Tey to get stalking and you'll be no different to the bloke down the road.... go with a LANTRA advanced management certificate behind you and you'll stand a far better chance!
Jelen training is constantly evolving to keep up with the forward moving industry that is deer management... and the jelen team have a hell of a lot of experience and knowledge in deer and deer management so are well equipped to pass on that knowledge through their courses.
I know training isn't cheap atm ... nothing is!.... but when you weigh up the costs of running a course and the amount of work that goes into developing them.... they aren't bad!... and remember.... "knowledge is power"....
BTW..... the courses have homework!.... and no shooting!!
It's a good course that will give you a fair bit of knowledge, and covers all aspects of actual management rather than just deerstalking.... and Lantra is the recognised industry qualification (all my work training is Lantra ) and goes way above any dsc (which is now a mockery tbh).... go to a landowner with a dsc and Tey to get stalking and you'll be no different to the bloke down the road.... go with a LANTRA advanced management certificate behind you and you'll stand a far better chance!
Jelen training is constantly evolving to keep up with the forward moving industry that is deer management... and the jelen team have a hell of a lot of experience and knowledge in deer and deer management so are well equipped to pass on that knowledge through their courses.
I know training isn't cheap atm ... nothing is!.... but when you weigh up the costs of running a course and the amount of work that goes into developing them.... they aren't bad!... and remember.... "knowledge is power"....
BTW..... the courses have homework!.... and no shooting!!
Yes
I did the BDS one and a stalking colleague the Jelen. As others have said, the Jelen has homework and is IMHO the more comprehensive course by dint of material. What I did take away from the BDS one was a lot of anecdotal discussion and informative material from the very experienced and arguably SME presenters who supported the BDS course. As previously debated on other threads, you pay your money and takes your choice……then you have the new DMQ course
countrryboy
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Things must have changed with lantra, tickets used to be a waste of time and many forestry companies refused to accept them.
Does this lantra ticket come with an expiry date?
Most of chainsaw or quad 1s do
Does this lantra ticket come with an expiry date?
Most of chainsaw or quad 1s do
I think it depends on what you want to do, if you're looking for deer related employment then I'd imagine everything will help but do I need to know about deer management as a recreational stalker? No I don't really need to know more than the basics. If it's a hobby you're trying to learn more about then go for it, it's no different to reloaders going on a course to learn more about what they enjoy.
On the other hand, surely everyone involved with shooting deer has a responsibility to try to shoot an appropriate number & sex ratio according to the local deer population, species, habitat etc? I'm not convinced that knowing the basics is enough and so my view would be that these courses should be for everyone at some stage in their development of experience.
Surely that depends on circumstances and what the landowner wants if they don't want to see any then telling them you have done a course and know better will only loose you your stalking.
monarman
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Don't tell them you know better!!!.... management is using the resources at hand to achieve an objective.. if that objective is wanting them all gone then using your recourses to achieve that is still management!!....
Not all landowners want deer gone and if you have the knowledge and qualification to back up experience it may open doors on other areas where landowners do want the deer managed in a different way....
Not all landowners want deer gone and if you have the knowledge and qualification to back up experience it may open doors on other areas where landowners do want the deer managed in a different way....
Did it with employer.
We (the working people) agreed afterwards that it only applied if you were working in a deer park/high wire fence operation.
Really pointless if you are doing commercial forestry work where the population needs to be kept either as low as possible or "zero tolerance".
This was last year and they failed to address the use of thermal drones for counting deer. No mention of mapping software like QGIS which is now a vital part of population modelling for occupancy surveys/rates. Very England-centric too.
Might just be worthwhile if you are a part of a Highland deer management group and need to give NatureScot some data to chew on with regards to reduction culls etc.
So unless the above applies to you (a glorofied zookeeper with a rifle) save your cash.
I'm currently doing this with bds, I'm a recreational stalker but I want to know more about something I'm passionate about and ensure that I can make the right judgement on the ground I've got.
So far it's am extremely well run and informative course and the discussion has been excellent. I'd say if you want to know more then do it, there's no such thing as to much knowledge. You might not ever need to do cull plans or ageing or anything other than just pull the trigger and crack on but that doesn't mean it's not an interesting thing and another feather in the cap
So far it's am extremely well run and informative course and the discussion has been excellent. I'd say if you want to know more then do it, there's no such thing as to much knowledge. You might not ever need to do cull plans or ageing or anything other than just pull the trigger and crack on but that doesn't mean it's not an interesting thing and another feather in the cap
“kurt”
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I have done the ADM course with Jelen and found it really useful, there was no shooting involved, but we got out on the ground and looked and discussed the negative impacts of deer, carrying out impact assessments, age and sexing ( we looked at 3 different species so take your binoculars), cull plans and more. The other benefit it gave me was I got to meet others from different levels of experience from stalkers to ecologists and butchers.
The home work assignments were good to research.
There’s nothing wrong in investing in yourself and towards something you’re passionate about.
The home work assignments were good to research.
There’s nothing wrong in investing in yourself and towards something you’re passionate about.
countrryboy
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Kurt does ur ticket have a 5year expiry on it?
There camhainsaw and quad tickets do/did.
I'd never do a lantra ticket generally worth paying the slight extra for nptc ticket, industry standard accepted everywhere and no expiry date.
Granted a course like this is something different, be interested to hear if it has an expiry on it thou.
There camhainsaw and quad tickets do/did.
I'd never do a lantra ticket generally worth paying the slight extra for nptc ticket, industry standard accepted everywhere and no expiry date.
Granted a course like this is something different, be interested to hear if it has an expiry on it thou.
NPTC cards still require "Refresher" courses after a period if used in a business / commercial sense.
countrryboy
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Depends on ur business and sites ur on.
Dunno where rec stalking fits
Never heard of many needing refreshed or upsklilled apart from chainsaw
Dunno where rec stalking fits
Never heard of many needing refreshed or upsklilled apart from chainsaw
“kurt”
Member
I’m not sure but it’s always good to keep up to date with changes, I did it to further and better my knowledge, not for certification. If it does then I guess dsc1 and 2 could be 5 years to to ensure competency etc. o deer what have I said.
countrryboy
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Only problem once it starts just a money making merry go round.
All the chainsaw boys hate the fact we have to waste money every 5 years doing another ticket..Those than can cut don't need it and if ur useless a 1 day course won't do any good.
All the chainsaw boys hate the fact we have to waste money every 5 years doing another ticket..Those than can cut don't need it and if ur useless a 1 day course won't do any good.
“kurt”
Member
Yes, the same in many industries from tradesmen with tool bags to lorry drivers.
if your lucky enough your company/ organisation pays to ensure all is safe and the umbrella is up. but as for the other folk same standards apply as do the risks.
stevenedwards
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I attended the Jelen course a few years ago now in Norfolk and found it useful and enjoyable.
DaveW
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I have done the course with BDS and found it extremely interesting and useful. If you are just a stalker following someone else's cull plan then I would suggest you may not directly use the course in your work, but for those that write up management plans for estates or want to understand more about 'good' management then I would recommend.
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