That's not right. If he was using your rifle, under the estate rifle clause, then it's your conditions that apply. The fact that your guest had a closed cert is totally irrelevant. He could have used your 308.
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TringSaint
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TringSaint
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But he is with a cf unless I misunderstood his post.
Too much of this goes on!!
Scotty99
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That was some years ago now. The syndicate is now run by Mark of A1 Decoy and is much more above board and effective as judged by some of the more recent posts by syndicate members on here. Indeed I spoke to Mark about joining a couple of years ago at the Game Fair he offered to give me my money back if I joined but didn’t like what was on offer, that’s high confidence in what he is now offering. In the end I didn’t take him up on the offer but only as around that time I picked up a couple of permissions of my own. The guys on here that have joined the syndicate in the last couple of years speak highly of it. They have a lot of land for syndicate members to shoot on FOC once the membership is paid and other estates where members pay up front and then claim back the stalking fee. I think it could be great syndicate for guys starting out who do not have their own permissions.
olliehopes
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I had a similar issue, had an open ticket for .17hmr .22lr and .22-250. FEO put me on conditions of mentorship and closed for my 6.5x55. Moved house in the same county with the head of licencing as my FEO, removed the clause straight away.
The FEO that put the condition on my ticket also refused me for a S1 shotgun due to the fact that my renewal was when you couldn't shoot pigeons due to CP, because when he asked me what I wanted it for I said vermin including pigeons when they're back on the GL. He said, and to quote, " you can't have it because you said pigeon".
No it wasn’t, it was last year and it was whilst he was running it!
Scotty99
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Can you point me to the appropriate threads on here. I don‘t want to continue to endorse it if it’s not up to scratch again.
Not without lots of searching. He used to be a member as A1 decoy, he now isn’t, however if you want confirmation just drop @sikamalc a PM.
Turnips
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I'm not 100%, but I think it's something to do with him a.) being reluctant to involve his landowners in a police inspection of the land and b.) not mentoring anyone else but myself on this land. This is ground that he has looked after for a very long time and I think he doesn't want to upset the status quo. At the end of the day he is already doing me a favour by taking me out and mentoring me.
Yes, I am new to CF, but have some experience: i.e. DSC1 and being endorsed by my mentor.
TringSaint
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Tricky one.
It still might be worth enquiring if the land has been approved previously
I can relate to that.
He's obviously got a long-standing relationship with the landowner that's working well for both of them. Why should either of them wish to change anything?
You've got to respect that.
Turnips
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It’s not mentoring in that respect: they wanted evidence that I have been out and gained experience with the calibre I have applied for.
Now I think they have got a bit confused and think my application is based on his land, and that is why they are requesting clarification on locations of his permissions and confirmation that they have been cleared for 308.
I’d suggest you get on to your shooting organisation, explain all to them & ask them to have a chat with your licensing authority. Land is not safe, it is the person shooting on it that is safe, or not as the case might be, & that is why you’ve been going with a mentor & have done your DSC1. Going out with your own rifle is the natural progression of your learning.
As others have said, wait a while before thinking about doing your DSC2, there’s no substitute for hands on experience which takes time to accumulate. Meantime I can thoroughly recommend the BDS DVD ‘Gralloching from field to larder’ it’s only a couple of quid & well worth it - if you have a DVD player!
As others have said, wait a while before thinking about doing your DSC2, there’s no substitute for hands on experience which takes time to accumulate. Meantime I can thoroughly recommend the BDS DVD ‘Gralloching from field to larder’ it’s only a couple of quid & well worth it - if you have a DVD player!
Perhaps ask your shooting organisation to suggest to the licensing authority that you’d be happy to change your variation to a rifle with the same cartridge chambering as the one your mentor has & you’ve been using so they can then grant it without the need for the land checks?!
Jeff8861
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In relation to having an open certificate for rimfire and not centrefire doesn't seam right. You have an fac you should have the knowledge and understanding regardless of calibres. Yes a centrefire can go further and cause more damage but your risk assessment should be the same. What are the conditions on you're fac.
It isn't uncommon for some calibres listed on a FAC to be open, and others closed.
Jeff8861
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Yes this is correct but not correct in essence. Thier are too many constabularies not adhering to policy and legislation. An example of this was when I assisted a friend who was due to have stomache surgery. At his renewal home visit the feo was happy and there were no concerns from his gp. On returning to the office the feo updating licensing manager. Licensing Manager assumed that upcoming surgery would cause upset and stress. They then threatened revocation if he didn't lodge guns elsewhere. In the letter I highlighted that his condition was not on the list of the relevant medical conditions. The reply was that we are stricter than the legislation and we don't need to abide by policy we are more risk overt. I highlighted that there was no risk involved. This fell on deaf ears. If they had revoked the appeal would have been successful however cost and time are significant factors. His guns were returned following his surgery. So in regards to the op you have an fac whether it's open or closed you can't have half and half.
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