tackb
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a number of people tried to repeat bells feats and got stomped !
45/70 vs 30-30 underlever
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True enough , some folks go really calm when under this kind of pressure others loose their composure . The real trick is recognising which type you are correctly
Yukonmountainhunter
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i carry a Marlin SBL in 45-70 when I trap in the winter because occaisionally I have these still lurking about well into December.
For reference my hand is about 10" from outside finger to thumb.
For reference my hand is about 10" from outside finger to thumb.
You must have been a missing link throwback. I have x large hands that only do 8 1/2" thumb to finger , can see whu your not wearing gloves !i carry a Marlin SBL in 45-70 when I trap in the winter because occaisionally I have these still lurking about well into December.
For reference my hand is about 10" from outside finger to thumb.
Tregullon
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Thank you all for your excellent advice (and stories!). Pondered all and slept on it, made my decision.
Looking now for a 45/70. There were many aspects to the process, but deciding factor was the range of loads available, as I will be using it both for target shooting and hunting - boar and bigger.
It won't get hammered and I have a preference for old and beautiful, rather than shiny, new or hi-tech.
No preference for straight or pistol grip, as long as it fits comfortably and shoots reliably.
Not single-shot or bolt-action. So double rifle or underlever repeater (ideally long mag but not critical).
I like open sights, but plan is to augment with red dot and if possible use both.
The final purchase will be published here and I will review performance in due course
Looking now for a 45/70. There were many aspects to the process, but deciding factor was the range of loads available, as I will be using it both for target shooting and hunting - boar and bigger.
It won't get hammered and I have a preference for old and beautiful, rather than shiny, new or hi-tech.
No preference for straight or pistol grip, as long as it fits comfortably and shoots reliably.
Not single-shot or bolt-action. So double rifle or underlever repeater (ideally long mag but not critical).
I like open sights, but plan is to augment with red dot and if possible use both.
The final purchase will be published here and I will review performance in due course
Foxyboy43
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Jeez! If that poor bear ever saw that enormous handprint it would frighten the life out of it!You must have been a missing link throwback. I have x large hands that only do 8 1/2" thumb to finger , can see whu your not wearing gloves !
.458" is the answer, what you use to push a bullet of that calibre doesn't matter 
I bet your dog is blacker than his thoughYou must have been a missing link throwback. I have x large hands that only do 8 1/2" thumb to finger , can see whu you’re not wearing gloves !
Yukonmountainhunter
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That must be in woman's sizing?
Just be aware, the action strength determines the load that you can put through the rifle. Load data for 45-70 comes in 3 versions, trap door, modern underlever, bolt action.
If your preference is older rifles they can have weaker actions and you may be limiting yourself to the cartridge’s black powder capability’s rather than modern smokeless capabilities.
If you are going lever action get a modern one.
Foxyboy43
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*capabilities
The first lever action chambered for 45-70 was Winchester 1886 who also were cambered in some smokeless powder cartridges.
Uberti says their model 1886 can handle mid level smokeless.
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That would be a modern one then, it’s not the model that aids the strength it’s the modern steels used in the actions.The first lever action chambered for 45-70 was Winchester 1886 who also were cambered in some smokeless powder cartridges.
Uberti says their model 1886 can handle mid level smokeless.
1886 Rifle | Uberti USA Replica Rifles and Revolvers
harrygrey382
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I’ll go out on a limb here - I reckon even an original 1886 is absolutely capable of mid level loads. Even if the steel doesn’t have the tensile strength of a Marlin 1895, it’s a much stronger design, and a much beefier action which makes up for it and probably more. However, as originals are rare (especially in the UK), and very expensive, the chances of the OP getting one for hunting are low? Don’t think there are any other “old” lever actions? Unless you count the original Marlin 1895s but pretty sure you won’t find one of the, they’re not about. When Marlin reintroduced the 1895 in 1972 they were as strong as they are today
I wouldn’t fancy it, I’d buy a modern one, and by that I mean post the reintroduction.
alberta boy
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Actually , the first lever action rifle chambered for the 45/70 was the Marlin 1881 . The Winchester 1886 is a far stronger and , IMHO , better designed rifle though .The first lever action chambered for 45-70 was Winchester 1886 who also were cambered in some smokeless powder cartridges.
Uberti says their model 1886 can handle mid level smokeless.
1886 Rifle | Uberti USA Replica Rifles and Revolvers
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alberta boy
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I know a few , and I mean a few , people who hunt with original 86s , two in 45/70 and one 45/90 . All of them load to well below mid range levels . The rifles are all over 100 years after all , and the original , and slightly above ( 1600 fps with a 405 gr bullet ) will reliably take any game in north america . That being said , 86's that were made to use smokeless powder , early versions weren't , are more than strong enough to handle pressures generated by mid range loads . As others have pointed out , I would go with a modern repro , Miroku being my pick , if I were going to use an 86 for regular hunting . In reality , I would pick up a Marlin 1895 . It's easy to mount a scope and far easier to clean . If you intend to stick with iron sights , the 86 is a better choice ................ and one of the slickest operating rifles ever made .
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