Partners to be quizzed in new gun licence screening

Morkai said:
Unless someone can provide a good answer without going into the realms of fantasy, what does it matter if they dont like them in the house?

If they have no cert and no access, then no problem?
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Well I suppose you could argue that if one partner is doing something that the other partner doesn't like or disapproves of then that has potential to escalate into a volatile relationship, so some caution ought to be exercised in the issuing of a certificate.

One FEO told me that the domestic atmosphere that they sense as soon as they walk into a home is the greatest deciding factor.
 
Rutland lad said:
When you say death and injury caused by members of the Police - can you be more specific ? Do you mean RTC’s or people shot (perhaps legally)
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Well, you could split it into two halves, let's say those shot by armed units, which would be a small number, probably on a par with those deaths caused by owners of legally held firearms, and we could lump all the others together... like RTA's, deaths in custody and even include deaths caused by serving officers outside their work.. I'm thinking Wayne Couzens type situations here
 
VSS said:
Well I suppose you could argue that if one partner is doing something that the other partner doesn't like or disapproves of then that has potential to escalate into a volatile relationship, so some caution ought to be exercised in the issuing of a certificate.
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I think if the FEO asked my partner about firearms she would pull the same disinterested face as she does with me when I mention rifles, motorbikes and cars.



VSS said:
One FEO told me that the domestic atmosphere that they sense as soon as they walk into a home is the greatest deciding factor.
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I think that is more important and probably overrides someones view on firearms in the home.
 
Entering in to a conversation with the applicants partner is a two way conversation as has been done in the past is sensible however the form looks to be a yes or no black and white situation, which one assumes the applicant will not get to see.
 
Liveonce said:
Entering in to a conversation with the applicants partner is a two way conversation as has been done in the past is sensible however the form looks to be a yes or no black and white situation, which one assumes the applicant will not get to see.
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Yes/no answers are wonderful when they ask things like "would he hurt an animal" "Yes he shoots them. No he loves animals and he shoots them." How the hell can that be a fair question. I just put that question to the wife and she said "No you love animals".

"What about the rats I shoot in the garden, and the rabbits, and the fox etc"

"Oh yes" she said!!

Then the question about a fascination with criminals and crime. She spends hours watching gory forensic science documentaries and all sorts of "nearly got away with it" murders . Should I mention that in the interrogation?
 
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Bo Diddley said:
Well, you could split it into two halves, let's say those shot by armed units, which would be a small number, probably on a par with those deaths caused by owners of legally held firearms, and we could lump all the others together... like RTA's, deaths in custody and even include deaths caused by serving officers outside their work.. I'm thinking Wayne Couzens type situations here
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I think you must bear in mind there’s around 100,000 serving Police officers in the UK. Couzens was undoubtedly a mad bad individual and he murdered an innocent. But he’s not representative of the majority.

Let me ask you a question in return - how many members of the medical profession have been convicted of murder ?
Dr Harold Shipman was found to be involved in 215 murders, and was ‘probably’ involved in more. We’ve just seen a nurse convicted of killing babies - and she wasn’t a lone case. Beverley Allitt ? There’s another one that I recall.

The number shot by armed units - are you suggesting that was murder ? Tell me the name of an officer convicted please. I don’t recall any.

RTC’s - many, many of them. Some really bad driving by Cops, but again I would ask you to name one convicted of ‘death by dangerous’ driving.

The Police are representative of society. Society is filled with the mad, the bad and the horrible. Unfortunately due to Mrs May as Home Sec, we’re now seeing what happens when we lower the bar to join and don’t train in a closed campus where recruits are monitored all the time.
 
Partners getting you into lumber!! I'm reminded of the tale of a couple out for a drive on a Sunday, and after a liquid lunch driving home they got pulled over by the police. The bloke wasn't impressed and said to his missus leave this to me I'll sort it. The police officer came to the car and before the bloke had a chance to say a word she chirped in, officer please don't argue with him when he's had drink.🤦‍♂️
 
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I think you must bear in mind there’s around 100,000 serving Police officers in the UK. Couzens was undoubtedly a mad bad individual and he murdered an innocent. But he’s not representative of the majority.

Let me ask you a question in return - how many members of the medical profession have been convicted of murder ?
Dr Harold Shipman was found to be involved in 215 murders, and was ‘probably’ involved in more. We’ve just seen a nurse convicted of killing babies - and she wasn’t a lone case. Beverley Allitt ? There’s another one that I recall.

The number shot by armed units - are you suggesting that was murder ? Tell me the name of an officer convicted please. I don’t recall any.

RTC’s - many, many of them. Some really bad driving by Cops, but again I would ask you to name one convicted of ‘death by dangerous’ driving.

The Police are representative of society. Society is filled with the mad, the bad and the horrible. Unfortunately due to Mrs May as Home Sec, we’re now seeing what happens when we lower the bar to join and don’t train in a closed campus where recruits are monitored all the time.
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I'm not anti-police, and I hope what I have said doesn't come across as police bashing, they have a job to do like everyone else.

Just interested in what the stats would look like in various formats. And yes when you look at the known cases of medical professionals committing murder I'm sure it makes those committed by the police look insignificant.

Teressa May has much to answer for concerning policing.
 
They have done this for a long time , although not religiously.

Firearms licensing is heavily intrusive , rightly so to be fair.

But where does it end.

A spiteful spouse could end your hobbies or indeed employment with a phone call or brief chat.
 
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