Part Trained GSP

[Subsonic]

Happy New Year!

I have succesfully worked Springers for many years but have always bought part trained dogs from reputable trainers at 12-14 months old. At this age the dogs perform the basics but have yet to be introduced to game or any advanced training . This has worked for me and once I have bonded with the dog I can continue the training. Judging the dogs personality can also be easier at this age.

My dogs are both close to retirement and I would like a GSP as my next working companion. Part trained Springers are frequently available but I haven't seen any mention of the same for GSP's. Are they available and if so can anyone offer advice or names of breeders or trainers. I am not against a puppy but would prefer to start with a slightly more mature dog if possible.

I have also been looking on line for puppies from working stock but have not had much success. Any advice on where to look or who to contact would also be greatly appreciated.

Subsonic

 

[ljs]

Contact Rory Major 01526 388616/07786322858 he is well known trainer on HPR and generally knows of good dogs around , not sure if birkenwald gsp are still around , I had my best gsp from them and trained by Rory

 

[jimmy milnes]

Try having a word with Gary at hunting dogs Europe,

Be careful as plenty of sh*t out there waiting to be passed on so I'd seek/welcome experienced advice if you find anything before travelling to view or parting with cash.

 

[pop1]

Happy New Year!

I have succesfully worked Springers for many years but have always bought part trained dogs from reputable trainers at 12-14 months old. At this age the dogs perform the basics but have yet to be introduced to game or any advanced training . This has worked for me and once I have bonded with the dog I can continue the training. Judging the dogs personality can also be easier at this age.

My dogs are both close to retirement and I would like a GSP as my next working companion. Part trained Springers are frequently available but I haven't seen any mention of the same for GSP's. Are they available and if so can anyone offer advice or names of breeders or trainers. I am not against a puppy but would prefer to start with a slightly more mature dog if possible.

I have also been looking on line for puppies from working stock but have not had much success. Any advice on where to look or who to contact would also be greatly appreciated.

Subsonic

I know of a litter of gsp pups. Both parents work, mostly on grouse, big strong dogs and pups are doing well. PM me if your interested and I will pass on contact details.

 

[countrryboy]

I imagine 1 possible problem u might find is wot the dog is part trained for, if grouse or FT ( is encouraged to really range, quartering 100- 200m away)
Not be the ideal part training if u want ur dog to do the same as ur springers working them in game shoots in a beating line.

There is, ...... bloody forgot his name now, think kennel name Buttermere or something, he won the Hpr championship a few years ago with a cracking gsp bitch, althou very hard going, very fast and rangey, imagine could be hard work trying to wind it back in. He also knows the brewed inside out althou more FT lines.
If ur wanting more a beating dog u may not want too much FT blood?

 

[Dunwaters]

Happy New Year!

I have succesfully worked Springers for many years but have always bought part trained dogs from reputable trainers at 12-14 months old. At this age the dogs perform the basics but have yet to be introduced to game or any advanced training . This has worked for me and once I have bonded with the dog I can continue the training. Judging the dogs personality can also be easier at this age.

My dogs are both close to retirement and I would like a GSP as my next working companion. Part trained Springers are frequently available but I haven't seen any mention of the same for GSP's. Are they available and if so can anyone offer advice or names of breeders or trainers. I am not against a puppy but would prefer to start with a slightly more mature dog if possible.

I have also been looking on line for puppies from working stock but have not had much success. Any advice on where to look or who to contact would also be greatly appreciated.

Subsonic

Firstly, compared to springers GSP are born half trained. People think Labs are, but in reality they're not, just lazy
As to where to find one, I'd start by contacting your local hpr field trial clubs and societies.
The hpr isn't for everyone and a fair few are moved on every year. The local hpr club secretary will usually know what's available.
Rescue dogs can work out well too, a lot of them tend to be surrendered because they object to being locked up for 10 hours a day, nothing wrong with the dog just the wrong owner.
What do you want the dog for? If it's going to trial you'll need a pedigree dog, if it's just an ordinary working companion you don't need the papers but they're nice to have just in case you get your hands on an absolute cracker and change your mind.
It does happen, one of the most consistent and successful trial dogs I've seen,is a rescue animal.

 

[HUNTING DOGS EUROPE]

Happy New Year
I import Gsp's for UK Border Force and the Armed Forces and also for hunters here in the UK
I have good access to litters, part and fully trained dogs
Should you need further information then please email or PM- hello@huntingdogseurope.com
Kind regards
Garry Everitt
VenatorDreamGundogs
www.huntingdogseurope.com

 

[Subsonic]

Hi All
Many thanks for your replies and advice. I will follow up on the names suggested and hopefully be one step closer to finding my next shooting companion!
All the best,

Subsonic

 

[Dogs]

Firstly, compared to springers GSP are born half trained. People think Labs are, but in reality they're not, just lazy
As to where to find one, I'd start by contacting your local hpr field trial clubs and societies.
The hpr isn't for everyone and a fair few are moved on every year. The local hpr club secretary will usually know what's available.
Rescue dogs can work out well too, a lot of them tend to be surrendered because they object to being locked up for 10 hours a day, nothing wrong with the dog just the wrong owner.
What do you want the dog for? If it's going to trial you'll need a pedigree dog, if it's just an ordinary working companion you don't need the papers but they're nice to have just in case you get your hands on an absolute cracker and change your mind.
It does happen, one of the most consistent and successful trial dogs I've seen,is a rescue animal.

Is it more challenging to get an adult rescue reliable on the basics - recall, stay, stop, and not ranging further away than you want? How would the approach be different from that with a puppy? With adult dogs with unknown history, if it turns out that they are interested in livestock, would you say that that could still be fixed?

 

[Dunwaters]

Is it more challenging to get an adult rescue reliable on the basics - recall, stay, stop, and not ranging further away than you want? How would the approach be different from that with a puppy? With adult dogs with unknown history, if it turns out that they are interested in livestock, would you say that that could still be fixed?

Provided that the dog hasn’t been mishandled or allowed to develop seriously bad habits, I ‘ ll take a dog at 18 months to 2ish over a pup any day, they’re still adolescent not hardened sinners and should be trainable.
Undue interest in livestock can be fixed at any age, even if the solution is a short vision of hell for the dog or trip to the vet for both of you and a solo drive home.

 

[Dogs]

Provided that the dog hasn’t been mishandled or allowed to develop seriously bad habits, I ‘ ll take a dog at 18 months to 2ish over a pup any day, they’re still adolescent not hardened sinners and should be trainable.
Undue interest in livestock can be fixed at any age, even if the solution is a short vision of hell for the dog or trip to the vet for both of you and a solo drive home.

What do you consider "seriously bad habits"?

 

[Dunwaters]

What do you consider "seriously bad habits"?

Aggression, chasing coursing and gobbing off.
If any of those habits get ingrained you may never get on top of it.

I won’t tolerate aggressive behaviour towards humans, even towards people that richly deserve it and never ever towards children.
I don’t like aggression towards other dogs, but the odd snap and snarl I can accept. The veterinary fees and down time resulting from a serious scrap are real world penalties.

Chasing flushed birds or running after anything that flys by is a no no unless it’s a pup, and even then after the first couple of outings it’s a no no .
Coursing groundgame, hares rabbits or livestock is never permitted.
I don’t like dogs gobbing off either, once it starts it’s impossible to control, it really pi55es me off and I’m coming to the view that it is infectious . A single squeak may lose you a competition. Don’t let pup do it…ever.
These are my personal views based on using HPR’s for rough shooting , deer and field trial competition.
Feel free to disagree.
But define your own needs first please.

 

[Dogs]

Aggression, chasing coursing and gobbing off.
If any of those habits get ingrained you may never get on top of it.

I won’t tolerate aggressive behaviour towards humans, even towards people that richly deserve it and never ever towards children.
I don’t like aggression towards other dogs, but the odd snap and snarl I can accept. The veterinary fees and down time resulting from a serious scrap are real world penalties.

Chasing flushed birds or running after anything that flys by is a no no unless it’s a pup, and even then after the first couple of outings it’s a no no .
Coursing groundgame, hares rabbits or livestock is never permitted.
I don’t like dogs gobbing off either, once it starts it’s impossible to control, it really pi55es me off and I’m coming to the view that it is infectious . A single squeak may lose you a competition. Don’t let pup do it…ever.
These are my personal views based on using HPR’s for rough shooting , deer and field trial competition.
Feel free to disagree.
But define your own needs first please.

Hi, thanks for that. It's not about agreeing/disagreeing for me, I'm just interested in learning from other people's experience as much as I can. I'm looking at getting a dog around 1-2 years instead of a pup. My questions about bad habits and interest in livestock I asked because you might only find out about those once you've got the dog. Which, then - nice to know what people think constitutes a red flag (not fixable) or just an issue which can be sorted with some work.
Example: You get 2 year old dog. Then you quickly realise they think there's no better game than chasing birds. You cannot accept that. Like you say, with a pup ideally you'd never have let it discover how much it enjoys chasing birds in the first place. With a 2 year old that's already learned everything about the thrill and adrenaline of the chase, it's a bit more difficult.
So as you said you prefer starting off with a dog 18 months to 2ish, I was keen to hear a bit more about your experiences - problems you've come across, and how difficult you've found them to sort out (or not).