I think your find that most people that don't like contractors and night licences it's because it effects their deer management plan to increase the numbers on their ground.
Season changes?
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I know, it’s the first time that Iv heard that contractors shooting deer at night doesn’t work to reduce numbers!
Nickb
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I know if you start with 100 deer on your ground , shoot 50 of them you end up with 150I know, it’s the first time that Iv heard that contractors shooting deer at night doesn’t work to reduce numbers!
Wasn't like that when I did O level maths
David Barker
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. So nick when you did O,level Maths did you passI know if you start with 100 deer on your ground , shoot 50 of them you end up with 150
Wasn't like that when I did O level maths
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David Barker
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Are you sure because all the government departments up here are scratching there heads. Maybe down in England its working but w3e have an ever increasing deer numberI know, it’s the first time that Iv heard that contractors shooting deer at night doesn’t work to reduce numbers!
Nickb
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Of course I did.. So nick when you did O,level Maths did you pass
This is your Maths
David Barker
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Well Nick your maths has went down some what. Unless you were trying hard to humiliate some one regards deer number,s . So if your maths is that good lets see how many deer you would need to kill the following season if you had indiscriminately shot 50 out of the said one hundred (Roe deer to start). Should be easy for some one with an O grade Maths up his sleeve. Maybe you can get Conh to help. I think you might be very surprised at your educated result,s.
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David Barker
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All of them
Fool answer but what can you expect from an O GRD maths person.In my area there are few roe, instead predominantly fallow. High densities, typical sex ratio 80% female.
Out of interest, @David Barker
where you have problem, & rising, numbers of roe, do you know what the typical sex ratio would be?
Out of interest, @David Barker
where you have problem, & rising, numbers of roe, do you know what the typical sex ratio would be?
countrryboy
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Must admit i never understood why they changed the male season in scotland.
If u had ur F&C u could shoot them all winter on forestry anyway.
1 thing i will say that i read on here years ago ( i forget the poster now, very anti lamping/contractors, think done a lot of urban deer work)
His idea u should pay contractors substantially more to shoot females.
No one going to drag a heavy stag if they can make more money dragging a lighter hind.
Esp with transient reds that could make a big difference to stalking estates if stags werent getting hammered every time they sheltered from some harsh weather in a wood.
If u had ur F&C u could shoot them all winter on forestry anyway.
1 thing i will say that i read on here years ago ( i forget the poster now, very anti lamping/contractors, think done a lot of urban deer work)
His idea u should pay contractors substantially more to shoot females.
No one going to drag a heavy stag if they can make more money dragging a lighter hind.
Esp with transient reds that could make a big difference to stalking estates if stags werent getting hammered every time they sheltered from some harsh weather in a wood.
David Barker
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David Barker
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Sadly no i don't what i do know is the books say 50/50 at birth but with a higher male mortality in the first years of life normally leaving around a 60/40 split but hey who know,s
How does that mean that night shooting is less effective than day shooting? The problem would be much worse with only day shooting
countrryboy
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Its not always that simple.
With herding species its not always the best option.
Can get results fast but can risk turning the surviors pretty lamp shy and skittish.
So long term may not be the best option.
All depends on the site and species.
Its not a magic bullet to solve every problem just another tool for the box.
I have no problem with night shooting and very effective with the right people.
But those right people can also be very effective throu the day traditionally stalking too.
1 thing i will say when night shooting is more common and normalised i do think u get more folk knocking deer over while out foxing on farmland.
I know some lads doing it who never even knew it was illegal as so common on forestry ground around us.
Possibly u could argue thats not a problem if they have permission and deer numbers need reducing locally.
The deer wont care wot time of day there culled.
What a poor excuse also just shows how little they have ever taken notice when applying for a FAC.
wildfowler.250
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It seems very much like
1) fallow ‘down south’ are wildly overpopulated. And probably impossible to manage because of different land owners etc.
2) Scotland has a large number of suburban roe. Which have difficulty being managed for same reasons as above.
3) yet red deer seem to get the worst of it because they’re probably the easiest to reduce numbers successfully.
Just an opinion. I don’t think it’s much an issue with seasons as divided land ownership, large human population and folk roaming everywhere making management difficult.
1) fallow ‘down south’ are wildly overpopulated. And probably impossible to manage because of different land owners etc.
2) Scotland has a large number of suburban roe. Which have difficulty being managed for same reasons as above.
3) yet red deer seem to get the worst of it because they’re probably the easiest to reduce numbers successfully.
Just an opinion. I don’t think it’s much an issue with seasons as divided land ownership, large human population and folk roaming everywhere making management difficult.
David Barker
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Yes i believe night shooting while it will give you the numbers it will not reduce population like targeted culling.
I gave away around 100kg this year of venison this year, no one comments on MJ being "gamey" as by the time you end up with it from the local market then it has gone/stored through at least 3 people.
You would have to shoot every MJ in the head/top neck "which is not so easy" to get 50p a kg
So I give it away...
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