Farmers Weekly - How farmers can tackle the booming deer population

[User100]

How farmers can tackle the booming deer population - Farmers Weekly

“Farmers need to get to a place where they are learning to manage their deer managers, so that the people that they have undertaking deer control on their land are delivering the outcomes the landowner needs. In many places, that hasn’t been happening,” he says.

Mr Jowitt likens it to a need for deer managers to have the skill sets required of others employed in a farm business.

 

[Mike1979]

Its interesting when they talk about training and use the analogy of not allowing someone to spray crops without training....The big difference is that use of Herbicides or Pesticides has mandatory training requirements (or grandfather rights) and farmers pay for that service. Unlike stalking in many places where it is either done for free or the farmer wants to be paid to control animals causing damage......

Not an easy one to solve..

 

[Tim.243]

Its interesting when they talk about training and use the analogy of not allowing someone to spray crops without training....The big difference is that use of Herbicides or Pesticides has mandatory training requirements (or grandfather rights) and farmers pay for that service. Unlike stalking in many places where it is either done for free or the farmer wants to be paid to control animals causing damage......

Not an easy one to solve..

Yet their solution on OSR is to stick a gas banger out then shut the curtains till March/April.

 

[Mike1979]

One farmer I know of had to write off some winter wheat due to fallow damage..yet the mere mention of shooting them and the "how much is it worth" question comes out of his gob... He planted Maize instead and that didnt have a good yield for some reason

 

[VSS]

Its interesting when they talk about training and use the analogy of not allowing someone to spray crops without training....The big difference is that use of Herbicides or Pesticides has mandatory training requirements (or grandfather rights) and farmers pay for that service. Unlike stalking in many places where it is either done for free or the farmer wants to be paid to control animals causing damage......

Not an easy one to solve..

Time stalkers started charging properly for the service they provide, in that case. No different from mole catchers etc.

 

[Tim.243]

One farmer I know of had to write off some winter wheat due to fallow damage..yet the mere mention of shooting them and the "how much is it worth" question comes out of his gob... He planted Maize instead and that didnt have a good yield for some reason

This is funny.

 

[Mike1979]

This is funny.

Brilliant

 

[Greenmist]

Its interesting when they talk about training and use the analogy of not allowing someone to spray crops without training....The big difference is that use of Herbicides or Pesticides has mandatory training requirements (or grandfather rights) and farmers pay for that service. Unlike stalking in many places where it is either done for free or the farmer wants to be paid to control animals causing damage......

Not an easy one to solve..

Grandfather rights are no longer valid for herbicide/pesticide use

 

[Ratcatcher]

Time stalkers started charging properly for the service they provide, in that case. No different from mole catchers etc.

I catch moles! Don't put your Bentley bentaga deposits down yet lads

 

[Mike1979]

Grandfather rights are no longer valid for herbicide/pesticide use

Thanks for clarifying

 

[Deermanagement]

Time stalkers started charging properly for the service they provide, in that case. No different from mole catchers etc.

I wish

 

[Mike1979]

I catch moles! Don't put your Bentley bentaga deposits down yet lads

You need to get some more traps...if you got £5 per mole you only need 33,500 to get the entry level model

 

[@theroedeerguy]

You need to get some more traps...if you got £5 per mole you only need 33,500 to get the entry level model

£5 per mole is too cheap.

£10 /£10.50 per mole, no mole no fee is more like it.

 

[Ratcatcher]

In all seriousness @VSS has a point, however to provide a professional service you're on the beck and call of your ( now ) employer, how many on this site are full time professionals, very few I would wager, most of us do it as at best an enjoyable hobby, I do, to fit around my other work commitments. The moment you're being paid, it's a job, tax, accounts, spreadsheets, pressure! If you've got thousands of deer to go at results are predictable and relatively easy, that's why contractors make a good living at it, not for me and I'm guessing not for many of you, if you're honest, either. R

 

[Deermanagement]

Farmer I know has just paid £120 to have a mole trap set in her garden using her own traps

Guy only came from the village some 1 mile distance

Maybe mr mole has pushed up a mound where the trap is set, going by a marker stick, or maybe it was set in the mound itself

Told her I’d set them for free

 

[Ratcatcher]

Farmer I know has just paid £120 to have a mole trap set in her garden using her own traps

Guy only came from the village some 1 mile distance

Maybe mr mole has pushed up a mound where the trap is set, going by a marker stick, or maybe it was set in the mound itself

Told her I’d set them for free

That's why I can't earn a living from it! and yet if I offer to shoot a deer for "free" I'm condemned on here? Double standards?

 

[Mike1979]

That's why I can't earn a living from it! and yet if I offer to shoot a deer for "free" I'm condemned on here? Double standards?

My comment was very tongue in cheek and I know how little money mole catching brings for a lot of effort (my mates a pest controller). I catch the little sods at home myself.

I don't think shooting deer for free should be condemned at all as that's what the majority of recreational stalkers do and is the reality of things as with many other types of shooting such as crows ,pigeons, foxes etc. When you look at the effort and cost of doing it...then we should be paid for our efforts but as a hobby/pass time we do it because we love it..otherwise we wouldnt do it.

I dont think there is any merit in pretending we do it because of the benefit to the farmer...we do it because we enjoy it and are allowed access to shoot because it benefits the farmer. I would not get up at 2 in the morning to shoot a deer or go out crow or pigeon shooting...or stay up all night to shoot a fox if i didnt love it...unless it was a paid occupation in which case thaths different

 

[Mike1979]

£5 per mole is too cheap.

£10 /£10.50 per mole, no mole no fee is more like it.

only 15,000 moles needed at that rate for the car then

My neighbour pays me £5 per mole...but I don't do it for the money but I cause offense if I don't take the payment.

 

[Nickb]

I dont think there is any merit in pretending we do it because of the benefit to the farmer...we do it because we enjoy it and are allowed access to shoot because it benefits the farmer. I would not get up at 2 in the morning to shoot a deer or go out crow or pigeon shooting...or stay up all night to shoot a fox if i didnt love it...unless it was a paid occupation in which case thaths different

I have said this many times we do it because we enjoy it but a lot of folk won't admit it , yes it has other benefits but that isn't the main reason we shoot.
Crop protection , wildlife protection etc come into it but shooting is carried out for enjoyment first and foremost .

 

[TringSaint]

One farmer I know of had to write off some winter wheat due to fallow damage..yet the mere mention of shooting them and the "how much is it worth" question comes out of his gob... He planted Maize instead and that didnt have a good yield for some reason

Deer like maize! They are cheeky with it tho, as they snap off the cobs and carry them away before peeling the husk off like a banana skin and nibbling all of the kernels off the cob.
Find loads of empty cobs littered across grass fields a few hundred metres from the maize.