slug guns anyone?

[Karhumies]

Just a curiosity of mine, how is the slug gun viewed among you UK stalkers?

between all my rifles i sometimes end up culling deer next to a highway for instance (traffic safety) or in the vicinity of hiking trails and campsited.

in those cases my rifles take a knee and out comes my MP-153 with its favorite slugs and an optic. mutch safer for my surroundings.

btw, i gleamed from youtube that you tea sniffers dont hold the russian fenceposts in very high regard but out here they are loved by most. Been eying a single shot 500 S&W rifle with a supressor, thinking of loading subsonic.

 

[LewisL]

Following out of curiosity

 

[eldon]

I have a Baikal OU, its my go to for squirrels and pigeons as it hits stuff that I just can't hit with my other shotguns.

A Baikal is certainly a gun worth having in my book, fence post or not..

 

[enfieldspares]

The problem in the UK is not one, per se, of the suitability or not of a "slug gun" for the task in hand but its status in law. Simply unless you already have the necessary "licence" for a rifle then to posses slug ammunition you will need to obtain and pay the cost to have such a licence.

For here even if the gun is a conventional over 24" barrel length smooth bore gun be that pump action, self-loading or over and under/side by side (or even single barrel like a Winchester Co-oey) the slugs themselves are classed the same as bulleted rifle ammunition. What in the UK we call s1 on a Firearm Certificate.

So as that is so then one might just as well use a rifle. Or if not then using a rifle as the only weapon that you possess is but a shotgun then use birdshot loaded cartridges as these do not require this s1 Firearm Certificate but can be had under the same much less onerous conditions that apply to such cartridges.

So it isn't as you'd think what is best for the job but actually what requires less hoops to jump through to be allowed to possess and use for the job. And so the question isn't as open and shut as it might initially seem to be. And also not many would wish to carry out such civic responsibility regardless of suitable "tools"

 

[bobt]

birdshot at close range acts the same as a slug, without the rick of bouncing,

 

[VSS]

birdshot at close range acts the same as a slug, without the rick of bouncing,

Exactly this ^^^

 

[Greenmist]

Haha, I like your terminology , I have a 12b single barrel "fence post" which is used purely for shooting corvid nests, super tight choke and heavy loads tend to cause involuntary spasms in the shoulder if used for too long, I'm also a fan of a moderated .410 for HAD although only use shot and point blank shooting

 

[Karhumies]

If you had both a rifle and a shotgun slugs wouldnt be ok?

as for bounce, yea i suppose but compared to a 6.5x55 or 30-06 the range if alot more Limited

using shot on deer is mostly illegal here, roe may be hunted over dogs with tungsten tho.

Hadnt ocurred to me that slugs would fall under a different permit.

 

[karamoja]

They are lots of fun!!

 

[Karhumies]

Haha, I like your terminology , I have a 12b single barrel "fence post" which is used purely for shooting corvid nests, super tight choke and heavy loads tend to cause involuntary spasms in the shoulder if used for too long, I'm also a fan of a moderated .410 for HAD although only use shot and point blank shooting

The mp153 is surprisingly good to handle tho. Not exactly a great pigeon gun, i use a SxS for that. But wheb it comes to Hare, Duck, generally anything that gives me a little time to raise the thing. I hate O/U personally, they feel so clunky compared to my SxS and even my MP153.

The love mp153 usually gets here is at least 60% based on its ability to run packed full of snow, swamp muck, sand, even ice. it tends to be overgassed the way we set it up.

As for baikals SxS guns tho.... yea fence post. il take a husqvarna or a Sauer thank you very mutch

 

[Karhumies]

 

[enfieldspares]

Baikal guns and I have had one or two of the IJ-26 side by side 2 3/4" Magnum proofed tend for me to be too much drop in the stock for what a non-UK member might best understand as "wing shooting". See below. Which is a shame as the USSR made guns were characterful if nothing else. In self-loading guns I've even more old school and have on and off had the odd few Browning A-5 guns. My present is one of the later 1960s European market Belgian "Standard 16" models for 2 3/4" cartridges.

 

[8x57]

I have two Baikals neither is exactly pretty, especially the cut down one, but both are good solid reliable killing guns.

 

[Karhumies]

yea thats pretty mutch how we view them here, especially reliable. the break opens in 223 have a bit of a bad name for poor accuracy here for wathever reason but the 7.62x39 in a single shot format it considered a pretty decent low budget setup. Its not something alot of people run with for long once they move up in life financially but a single shot baikal in 7.62x39 with a used burris fullfield and a box of S&B softpoints is a good 200 euro package to enjoy a couple seasons.

 

[alberta boy]

Baikal rifles and shotguns have a very good reputation out here . Unlike the UK , we use slug guns a lot out here , mostly for the same reasons , built up areas and the like . Slugs are very effective on game within their range limitations .
Since the trade embargos were put in place against the Russians , there are no more Baikals coming into the country . Two models have become quite expensive , the SXS 45/70 rifles and the IZH/BK 18 single shots in 7.62x39 . The IZH 18s will set you back about $ 800 to $ 900 CDN at the moment , the SXS sell for about $ 1500 CDN . I've been looking for the latter for some time now with no luck . They are light , pointy little things and are reasonably accurate .
I use a IJ-26 SXS on a regular basis , a great old gun . It also puts slugs right on top of the bead at about 50 yards out of the right barrel . A genuinely useful firearm for a lot of different game .

AB

 

[Karhumies]

Baikal rifles and shotguns have a very good reputation out here . Unlike the UK , we use slug guns a lot out here , mostly for the same reasons , built up areas and the like . Slugs are very effective on game within their range limitations .
Since the trade embargos were put in place against the Russians , there are no more Baikals coming into the country . Two models have become quite expensive , the SXS 45/70 rifles and the IZH/BK 18 single shots in 7.62x39 . The IZH 18s will set you back about $ 800 to $ 900 CDN at the moment , the SXS sell for about $ 1500 CDN . I've been looking for the latter for some time now with no luck . They are light , pointy little things and are reasonably accurate .
I use a IJ-26 SXS on a regular basis , a great old gun . It also puts slugs right on top of the bead at about 50 yards out of the right barrel . A genuinely useful firearm for a lot of different game .

AB

damn, i can pick up a Baikal for 40-100 euro here. the mp153 set me back 150 and 2 bottles of hooch

 

[alberta boy]

damn, i can pick up a Baikal for 40-100 euro here. the mp153 set me back 150 and 2 bottles of hooch

Funny enough , most of the older Baikals come here from Sweden and Finland . The semi auto , SXS and O/U shotguns sell for about $ 300 CDN when in decent shape . The MP 153s are a great deal , solid and reliable shotguns . It's the rifles that have climbed in price .

AB

 

[Karhumies]

Funny enough , most of the older Baikals come here from Sweden and Finland . The semi auto , SXS and O/U shotguns sell for about $ 300 CDN when in decent shape . The MP 153s are a great deal , solid and reliable shotguns . It's the rifles that have climbed in price .

AB

that 45-70 SxS rifle is one i have been eyeing. Unfortunately free as we are legally in getting AK platforms foor hunting birds and the like the oficials can have a stick up there "is that word allowed?" when it comes to big bores and magnums nowadays.

Our law revolves around "reasonable firepower"

Within that guideline police have almost cart blanche to interpret based on personal opinion.

The old cop in charge in my region would give out stuff like .500 A-square for moose or 338 lapua magnum for grouse so long as you wrote up a halfway believable justification for why ltz. reasonable. example: 500 A-square causes less suffering and saves more meat than a 30-06.

The old man retired and his replacement slaps you with lines like "9.3x62 is as big as is reasonable" or "12 gauge is too powerful for pigeons".

 

[Ginc]

I own Toz-34 OU gun for close quarters driven hunt. Excellent accuracy up to 50m with red dot and steel slugs. Rarely used in last years, because high amount of clean cuts in forests, where rifle is preferred.

 

[Karhumies]

Just switched the furniture on my baikal a bit for ground targets. DLG tactical telescoping folding stock with a riser and a pistol grip, and a picatinny rail with a big red dot. I like it for driven foxes with an american turky choke and 3.5mm shot. At under 30m it straight up shreds the animal.