Lucy Letby - innocent?
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Ah, thank you. I must've missed that in all the furoreHere is your answer...
Lucy Letby tells court: ‘I am not guilty of what I was found guilty of’
The former nurse, 34, is on trial at Manchester Crown Court accused of the attempted murder of a baby girl, known as Child K.www.standard.co.uk
Jura
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She's been stitched up like a kipper.
Shrewsbury maternity scandal: Repeated failures led to deaths
Some 201 babies may have died at an NHS trust because of unprecedented failures, says report.
www.bbc.co.uk
Shrewsbury obviously could not find a scapegoat like Lucy Letby.
I must admit I've had my doubts from the very beginning. Something about the entire affair just stinks
Rake Aboot
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It’s always stunk
The way her right to appeal seems to be refused so quickly and she was left with no avenue to appeal again made the whole thing reek to me
The way her right to appeal seems to be refused so quickly and she was left with no avenue to appeal again made the whole thing reek to me
63
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I’ve spent time with folk in the aftermath of fatal accidents.I am stuck on her writings.
Regardless of how much culpability they actually had (and in some cases I can confidently say ‘none’) many people express things like ‘it was my fault’ ‘I killed him because I didn’t do xyz/did abc’ and such sentiments. When it’s verbal it’s usually pretty obvious it’s grief talking.
I must admit, it doesn’t stretch my imagination to interpret her writings as the outpourings of a young woman who’s feeling pretty terrible that babies keep dying on her hospital ward, and feels a normal human level of guilt and angst about the situation.
If what we know so far is true then the following probably applies.
The other judge didn't criticise the credentials of Dewi Evans, the other judge stated that in a previous case the expert witness testimony of Dewi Evans was worthless due to Dewi Evans insisting on contradicting himself while making stuff up & changing his arguments to apparently support a predetermined & required verdict.
But talking about credentials, Dewi Evans is a long retired paediatrician & never did the neonatologist specialism. A paediatrician / neonatologist supporting the Dewi Evans reports etc & attending the trail for questioning, Dr Bohin, currently has 11 claims of malpractice against her.
Just looking at the trial itself it looks like it should have been abandoned at numerous points due to for example Dewi Evans changing the date of an alleged deliberate harm incident when new alleged incident non attendance info became available (in theory, having done that once that could have been done for any claimed incident) or changing his previously provided expert witness statements & reports with no reasonable explanation being provided except to just claim he had since spoken to different doctors & his views had changed as a result with no actual supporting details provided.
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If what's known so far is true then the following is probably applicable.
The RCPCH figured out why the mortality rate was so high at the CoCH NICU before June 2016 when Lucy was taken off nursing duties there. In July 2016 the hospital was eventually forced to implement a significant number of changes at the unit, those changes previously having been predicted to considerably reduce the mortality rate & those changes didn't involve Lucy but did involve increasing nursing staff numbers & taking on nurses with more experience & qualifications amongst other things.
The RCPCH report & resultant actions implemented at the CoCH were not revealed to the jury. It does seem that if the trials are declared wrongful various individuals could be charged with various criminal offences including multiple counts of criminal medical negligence & / or perjury.
Deskilling had been going on there from 2007. Significant workload increases started happening in 2015 in part due to problems with capacity at hospitals in North Wales.
One of the paediatric consultants there seems to actually be a natural showbiz actor type who was railroaded into the medical profession by unfavourable circumstances for example.
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A newly disclosed email suggests a key witness, Dr Ravi Jayaram, may have initially said Letby called for help, contradicting his later courtroom account.
Apparently, this was not disclosed until after she was convicted:
www.independent.co.uk
Surely this one point is sufficient to justify a re-trial at the very least?
D.
Apparently, this was not disclosed until after she was convicted:
Letby faces herculean task to win her appeal – despite new evidence
A alleged email appears to contradict evidence given at Lucy Letby’s trial. But as the convicted nurse prepares to appeal her whole-life sentences, David James Smith examines the hurdles her new barrister must now overcome
www.independent.co.uk
Surely this one point is sufficient to justify a re-trial at the very least?
D.
If what we know so far is true then it seems that the following is probably correct. Apparently there was one juror who voted against all charges except for one. We know there was a great deal of missing info during the trial on the particular case that the contrary juror voted for guilt. It's looks like there was no actual valid evidence of any type & so no grounds for any investigations or prosecution or trial. On that basis it seems there can be no retrial & in the UK there's no way there could be a fair retrial even if we thought there was any valid evidence of any deliberate harm.
It's also becoming apparent that all those lies Lucy was supposed to have told during the trial are actually nothing of the sort, there are perfectly valid explanations for all of them including Lucy being a lot more accurate about stuff that happened than anybody else was 5 years after relevant events.
It's also becoming apparent that all those lies Lucy was supposed to have told during the trial are actually nothing of the sort, there are perfectly valid explanations for all of them including Lucy being a lot more accurate about stuff that happened than anybody else was 5 years after relevant events.
kenbro
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Paul 1066,
In your intro you say you are interested in deer stalking and guns…
It would have been nice if your first post had been shooting related rather than Lucy Letby.
Jmo. KB.
timbrayford
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Obviously the whole criminal justice system is a complete waste of money and have wrongfully convicted everyone who made a not guilty plea. They should be abolished and leave it to press led hysteria which does a far better job of deciding guilt or innocence
let’s just wait and see on this one.
British justice system example.
It's never going to be perfect & when it goes horribly wrong, which it will, the wrongs will need sorting out.
Prof Meadow was involved in the Sally Clark case & for a while got involved in the LL case.
Here we can see examples of suppression of evidence by the prosecution & misuse of statistical data, wrongful prosecution, wrongful trial & the eventual & unfortunate death of the injustice victim so in effect the sentence was (false) imprisonment and an irrevocable death sentence.
Sally Clark was convicted in November 1999. The convictions were upheld on appeal in October 2000, but overturned in a second appeal in January 2003, after it emerged that Alan Williams, the prosecution forensic pathologist who examined both babies, had failed to disclose microbiological reports that suggested her younger son had died of natural causes. Clark was released from prison having served more than three years of her sentence. Journalist Geoffrey Wansell called Clark's experience "one of the great miscarriages of justice in modern British legal history". As a result of her case, the Attorney General Lord Goldsmith ordered a review of hundreds of other cases, and two other women had their convictions overturned. Clark's experience caused her to develop severe psychiatric problems and she died in her home in March 2007 from alcohol poisoning.
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