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Yorkie said:
Yes, that was a good engine. Arguably the last decent engine land rover used.

The Freelander 2 though is getting a bit long in the tooth and i would, ideally, like something newer.
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Mine needs a new OS electric
mirror but the cost of one exceeds the value of the (2007) vehicle.
Ken.
 
Malxwal said:
With that reputation, one has to wonder why anyone buys them ?
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i've given this more thought than i should have , the vehicles themselves are nice , well specced , good to drive, ok off road with decent tyres blah blah blah plus there is still the loyalty to a british brand thing and the snobbery that the green oval gives people. BUT , they are shockingly unreliable and to say otherwise is just silly , this isn't just s/h rumours it's my own expensive mistakes and literally countless reports on the internet not to mention over three decades of being at the bottom of every reliability survey ever! and to cap it all this is backed up by in my experience (and others) the worst aftercare known to humankind in the history of ever!

i've found that most people buy them because they see them as a luxury 'posh' brand and it makes them feel as though they have 'made' it in life and no amount of facts will deter them from flashing their success , basically they won't believe you until they make their own expensive discoveries that actually everyone was right !

my girlfriends son 'had' to have a velar , i tried to warn him but at 27 he knows best (he is a grown man after all and it's his money) and now he massively regrets not listening , his has the ingenium engine in and is constantly in the dealers for engine lights which they seem unable (more likely unwilling) to fix , when his engine light comes on and he trys to book his car into said dealer (marshalls cambridge the worst of the worst) they give him a two month lead time and tell him he can drive the car with the engine light on if he wants but they won't warranty it if he does and no there is no loan car available.

i long ago chose to take my money elsewhere

and now my landrover tourettes has flared up!
 
tackb said:
i've given this more thought than i should have , the vehicles themselves are nice , well specced , good to drive, ok off road with decent tyres blah blah blah plus there is still the loyalty to a british brand thing and the snobbery that the green oval gives people. BUT , they are shockingly unreliable and to say otherwise is just silly , this isn't just s/h rumours it's my own expensive mistakes and literally countless reports on the internet not to mention over three decades of being at the bottom of every reliability survey ever! and to cap it all this is backed up by in my experience (and others) the worst aftercare known to humankind in the history of ever!

i've found that most people buy them because they see them as a luxury 'posh' brand and it makes them feel as though they have 'made' it in life and no amount of facts will deter them from flashing their success , basically they won't believe you until they make their own expensive discoveries that actually everyone was right !

my girlfriends son 'had' to have a velar , i tried to warn him but at 27 he knows best (he is a grown man after all and it's his money) and now he massively regrets not listening , his has the ingenium engine in and is constantly in the dealers for engine lights which they seem unable (more likely unwilling) to fix , when his engine light comes on and he trys to book his car into said dealer (marshalls cambridge the worst of the worst) they give him a two month lead time and tell him he can drive the car with the engine light on if he wants but they won't warranty it if he does and no there is no loan car available.

i long ago chose to take my money elsewhere

and now my landrover tourettes has flared up!
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Marshall’s is the Devil’s Own. Worst dealership company known to man.
 
JockStalk said:
So did I - then bottled it at 150k miles 😁
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my last LR was a s/h 4.4tdv8 westminster , i didn't bottle it in time and the engine decided to not engine anymore in a catastrophic way !

something no other brand has ever done to me but landrover has done um? 5 times for just engines.......... unless you want me to include gearboxes as well?
 
So it isn’t just the engines failing when in a landy or are the jags also seeing the same issues?
The snapping crank issue was described to me as being due to them using the same spec engine to propel a 1.7 ton car and a 2.7 ton 4x4 having not really altered the engine spec apart from the gearing (the cast crank can’t handle the extra bulk)
 
tackb said:
my last LR was a s/h 4.4tdv8 westminster , i didn't bottle it in time and the engine decided to not engine anymore in a catastrophic way !

something no other brand has ever done to me but landrover has done um? 5 times for just engines.......... unless you want me to include gearboxes as well?
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Snap!

Same vehicle, biggest issue for me before parting was transmission, crank case oil seal fail at 50k which was an engine out job to replace, then they realised they didn’t have any in Europe and took 8 weeks to get. 3 grand for an oil seal that shouldn’t have failed at that mileage.

still the best all round vehicle I have ever owned - though I have no draw to the new rangie. I must be too binary.
 
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The snapped cranks is likely down to the fact that yes, they increased the power beyond the capability of the design. Triumph did that with the Bonnie engine back in the early days and made it unreliable.
It doesn't have as many bearings to support the crank as it could.
The way the oil goes through is not great so if you like putting your foot down, it can lead to oil starvation.
also service intervals
the oil specified.
Check out lr time on you tube. Very informative.
 
Tatas engineers have not grown out of tuc tuc building yet plus Solihulls workforce had been banging together aluminium sheds with low stressed engines that had no power to break anything. It is time for them to grow a pair and hire Ricardo Engineering to design a decent engine for them.
 
JockStalk said:
Snap!

Same vehicle, biggest issue for me before parting was transmission, crank case oil seal fail at 50k which was an engine out job to replace, then they realised they didn’t have any in Europe and took 8 weeks to get. 3 grand for an oil seal that shouldn’t have failed at that mileage.

still the best all round vehicle I have ever owned - though I have no draw to the new rangie. I must be too binary.
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the best all round vehicle that i have ever owned was the 200 series LC , 4.5 V8 diesel , all the toys and luxury and off road ability of a RR plus reliability , winner !

such a shame that Toyota stopped importing them to the UK in 2015 , bloody eco loons!
 
tackb said:
the best all round vehicle that i have ever owned was the 200 series LC , 4.5 V8 diesel , all the toys and luxury and off road ability of a RR plus reliability , winner !

such a shame that Toyota stopped importing them to the UK in 2015 , bloody eco loons!
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I saw a new LC at the game fair on Sunday - quite like the look of it. Bit retro with its boxy style but nicer than a grenadier.
Also saw a D-Max AT35 and got a semi! I do like them!!
 
In all fairness to Land Rover, I've been glad to see one on occasion, my own have gotten me out of serious bother. But once you buy a Toyota, you realise that "other brands are available" that just do what you want without being so bloody needy.
 
Donkey Basher said:
Well that’s put me off what I’d been thinking about recently… swapping out the D4 for a D5 with 6 cylinder diesel as & when the time comes. Guess I’ll stick with the old D2 V8 when the D4 dies 😎
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A good old v8 petrol; I've had a few in days gone by and the reliability was always good, shocking fuel consumption but the costs were up front, not hidden.
In money terms, are the modern diesels really worth it, and were petrols that bad on fuel, when potentially there's a £9k+ bill adding up in the background?
 
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Quixote said:
My brother-in-law lost his 2018 old XE RSport when the timing chain failed. Ended up with £750 scrap for it as a new engine was over £10k.
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Ouch!
I got 1500 for my disco3 with a snapped engine - sold as a non runner to a chap who wanted it as a rebuild project!

Cost me £6k iirc about 2 years earlier but the repair would have been at least £4k for a rebuild / recon engine, so not worth it given the age of the car (04).
It had done <70k miles, all on road.
 
Mate of mine owned a precision engineering business. One of his big earners was reworking jlr crankshafts that had failed scrutineering, he reckoned 25% of them were out of spec when they came in from India. He said it was still cheaper for them to manufacture that way rather than right first time in a better factory. Few years back mind, they must be much worse now.
 
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