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Recording your culls.
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Nickb
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You are grumpy
Stalkers could be out every day and when they get home complete their results which only takes a minute.
I am a fan of records and keep them myself otherwise how will you know your results.
Better than the guys who exaggerate stating they've shot thousands when in reality its a hundred
I don't record culls on an app just an old notebook with the numbers to see when getting close to the 100 I set myself from jan to jan.
With transient deer you never know when they will turn up so the planning management is out of the window.
I shot 3 fallow bucks on 3 trips in a 100 yard area in Aug all had a couple of mates with them the others have kept away!
With muntjac they only turn up at that spot close to "their time" so if it is a night shift deer you won't see them. The ones who replace them (mainly bucks) as they have a bigger range than the does could well be a night shift or lunch time route deer.
A good friend who I shoot a lot of muntjac for I explained this when we have blanked "Charles they are here just not when we are"
I shoot 11 farms some have just a few muntjac some a lot some have Reds/Fallow (no roe thank god) not one farmer has asked for a recorded number deer shot.
They are more interested in how many pigeons or foxes I have shot than the deer.
People can use what App they like but deer only make a move when they want to feed also what is available then the wind/weather makes a vast difference to your plan!
Grumpy, I am not, but look at things through Rose tinted glasses. I also do not!
If people spent more time in the field actually doing the job instead of putting useless information on a piece of paper, maybe they would be less deer running around this country!
To most of the landowner is in the UK dead deer mean jobs being done not crap pieces of paper you can put a whole world of information on paper doesn’t mean you’ve done the job, and I wonder at the end of each year how many people fudged their figures to make it look good Just to keep their stalking I bet, I’ll wager a heap!
And as for @Mungo ta ta your going on my growing list of time wasters
Perhaps we could all simply accept that landowners are different in what they expect from whomever they employ to do the stalking, and at the end of the day they are the ones who set the terms.
Every stalker has a choice - no-one forces them to take on more ground, and if they don't want to do the stalking based on the terms imposed by the landowner they can simply move on and try and find stalking elsewhere.
There are plenty of farmers around who are happy to do everything on a handshake, and I've had several of these type of leases over the years, However there are others for whom deer management is part of a broader strategy on how the farm or estate is run. As explained above, in situations where someone is claiming grants such as the Countryside Stewardship Higher Tier they are required to have a Deer Management Plan in place. This puts a certain level of administration on whoever is doing the stalking, as otherwise the grant application won't be accepted and/or grant money that has been paid out will be reclaimed. So whilst you might see this type of administration as "crap pieces of paper", for the farmer or landowner it can mean getting grants or not.
For the stalker, these kind of records can also provide invaluable data, not just when coming up with the deer management plan but also when dealing with those who might have an interest in the estate - whether that's the farmers, foresters, estate managers, conservationists, NGO's, the general public or whoever.
The simple fact is that there is pressure on deer management to become more professional - whether that's through training, data management or interacting with other land users. We may not like it, and we might hark back to the days when everything was simpler, but the reality is that times have moved on.
As an example, I received another enquiry the other day through the BASC Competent Stalkers register offering stalking for fallow, roe and muntjac on 6 sites totalling nearly 170 hectares, run by the Woodland Trust. The details made clear that cull numbers were dependent on the Deer Management Plan, and payments were being made available for both site visits and carcasses. The details also mentioned that "There is a requirement to use the Woodland Trust application to record all culls". If a stalker can't be ar5ed with all the administration this requires, they don't have to bid, but for those who accept that these type of leases increasingly require them to show as much professionalism in deer management as in deer culling, they can go for the opportunity.
The deer stalking world should be big enough to allow both approaches to exist side-by-side, and accept that there are simply different ways of doing things.
If you have an iPhone then when you look at a photo in your Photo Album you will see a little “I” icon at the bottom.
Click on that and it will open up a screen with all the EXIF data for the photo, including a geo-location on a map showing where the photo was taken:
Months or years is good going...I cant remember where I shot the ones last week sometimes
Each to their own is my view (like most things). I try and take pics of everything and then record them in a spreadsheet as I like to refer back to it. Doesnt take me long but also appreciate I may have to much time on my hands as well
mike308
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I manage deer in forestry in Scotland and the forestry managers want a detailed deer return at the end of the year. On one block he wants the map reference for where the deer was shot.
I use a simple spread sheet to record all the information which I then forward to them at the end of the year. It only takes a few minutes to complete at the end of each stalk.
I use a simple spread sheet to record all the information which I then forward to them at the end of the year. It only takes a few minutes to complete at the end of each stalk.
You can Grant access to other users. It's as simple as having a Google account.
I'd be happy to share the base spreadsheet and "app" design
Siggy
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What a treasure trove of data and memories! I wish I had captured hours stalking when I started recording.
"I want to see records of deer taken, how many, and in a variety of conditions and scenarios, showing you gaining experience"
My FEO
Siggy
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Part of being professional is being accountable - if you don't keep records, how can you be accountable? I get how it's cool to be free of bureaucracy and it may work with you farmers but a) traceability is a food hygiene requirement b)it really doesn't take much time & c) it's something nice to look back through when you are sat in the nursing home and can't stalk any more.
Norfolk Deer Search
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Not a legal requirement and I would poke him in the direction of the Firearms act
timbrayford
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I use blank paper record sheets copied from the old DSC2 portfolio
Happy stalker
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Absolutely nothing wrong with keeping a game book diary, nice to look back on while warming your feet at the fire sipping a wee dram when your stalking days are a distant memory.
Have fun guys!
Have fun guys!
The idea of certain landowners wanting detailed cull reports…fair enough
But what is to stop someone …erm…….just making it up and giving them the data they want to see?!?
First syndicate I joined we had to produce the jaw bones of all culled that previous winter. Not that it affected me, first syndicate I joined I never shot a deer! ( Dumfriesshire- mature forestry block , I think four of us culled 5 roe (well I didn’t obvs) but it did teach me to appreciate every deer I shot subsequently).
But what is to stop someone …erm…….just making it up and giving them the data they want to see?!?
First syndicate I joined we had to produce the jaw bones of all culled that previous winter. Not that it affected me, first syndicate I joined I never shot a deer! ( Dumfriesshire- mature forestry block , I think four of us culled 5 roe (well I didn’t obvs) but it did teach me to appreciate every deer I shot subsequently).
Whats to stop you using jaw bones from deer shot elsewhere?
Those who lie will find a way..no point in my mind. I take a pic and generally send it to the landowner ...same with most of what I shoot be it foxes, crows etc.
Dad as a kid got a pennies per rat tail, the farmer threw them on the muck heap so Dad picked them up and took them back the next day lol, Game Keepers have been quite well known for "salting the bag" for those who don't know that term then they will add birds from a previous day/'s
so a paid day "per bird" you got paid twice. On a small shoot I picked up on Terry and his dogs and mine have gone around after the other dogs had and picked up 10 "hot" birds which back then was £250.00 on top.
Anyone can make things up.
On one local farm I stalked they had someone who supposedly came in at night to lamp rabbits - except I got there early one morning to stalk and found two roe hanging up off the back of a trailer, shot out of season and at night.
People who are willing to betray other's trust will do it regardless, whether that's falsifying data or taking a deer they are not entitled to.
Always a different matter when money comes into it
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