Never hear about freezing ticks for removal?

[Lateral]

Bloody thread, all that I think about when I see it, is the old saying about "freezing your ticks off".......................sorry

 

[NorHunt]

do you mean spray yourself or spray the beast?

Yourself.
A friend of mine tried it on his dog also, and it worked.

 

[Motard]

fridge is not freeze (albeit meanings apoear be similar). For what I could understand from the Australian study I was referring you should use one anti-wart compound based DMT (dimethyl alcohol) that kills them instantly. A pain relief spray such as those used for sport axidents wouldn't do.

 

[Dunwaters]

Small drop of whiskey on the tick, drink the remainder of the dram yourself.
Then drink a full tot.
There are no discernible medical benefits other than a tranquil mind.
That’s enough, most of the time.

 

[Rake Aboot]

All joking aside

Don’t try any other method other than using a removal tool to remove the entire tick.

That’s for you and your dogs / ferrets.
All the sweetie wifey methods just irritate it and cause it to regurgitate into the host.

 

[sauer]

as above

you see nothing but wives tales etc and these keep being spread

stick wi the tick removal tools and avoid the bullsh1t ....


Paul

 

[NorHunt]

Yourself.
A friend of mine tried it on his dog also, and it worked.

My advice was ment in a proactive way.
When it comes to tic removal you have to use a removal tool.

 

[Bowland blades]

Crio could very well do more damage to your body than the tick . I was actually hospitalised last summer Some of the places they where attached - Nobody could have done crio safely

 

[Motard]

Crio could very well do more damage to your body than the tick . I was actually hospitalised last summer Some of the places they where attached - Nobody could have done crio safely

Man, this is the reason I asked about. I always have the propper intruments (laced and fork removal) with me & use them but freezing method is not a tale, is the the aussie government official recomended way to proceed. On the otherside is true that the lyme bacteria is actually not as spread over the 5 continent as here in Europe, but aussie population seems having one high number of deadly after biting allergy reactions. They uses anti wartog sprays just becaus that.
The link here:

Tick Allergy - Australasian Society of Clinical Immunology and Allergy (ASCIA)

Allergic reactions to ticks range from mild, with swelling and inflammation (at the site of a tick bite), to severe (anaphylaxis).

www.allergy.org.au

Here the ChatGpt response to my question

Freezing ticks with an ether-based spray is a recommended method for removal, particularly in Australia, to minimize the risk of tick-induced allergies or paralysis. The spray, like those used for wart removal, kills the tick, causing it to detach from the skin. If the tick doesn't detach after freezing, seek medical advice.

Here's a more detailed explanation:

• Freezing:
  Ether-based sprays are designed to rapidly freeze and kill ticks.
  
  
• How it works:
  The spray is applied to the tick, causing it to freeze and hopefully detach.
  
  
• Why it's recommended:
  Freezing the tick minimizes the risk of it releasing more saliva, which can trigger allergic reactions or tick paralysis.
  
  
• What to do if it doesn't drop off:
  If the tick doesn't detach after freezing, don't try to pull it off. Instead, seek medical help for safe removal.
  
  
  And here the Gemini response:
  
  

• Freezing Ticks with Anti-Wart Spray: A Controversial Removal Method​

  Using an ethyl-based anti-wart cryo spray to freeze and remove a tick is a method that has gained some traction, particularly in Australia, but it remains a controversial approach that diverges from widely accepted medical guidelines in other parts of the world, including the United States. While proponents suggest it may reduce the risk of disease transmission, experts urge caution due to potential risks and a lack of universal endorsement.
  
  The "Freeze-It" Method: Proponents and Rationale
  
  The primary argument for freezing a tick with a cryo spray, which often contains a substance like ethyl ether or a similar freezing agent, is to kill the tick instantly. This, in theory, prevents the tick from regurgitating its stomach contents into the bloodstream, a common route for transmitting pathogens like those that cause Lyme disease. The Australasian Society of Clinical Immunology and Allergy (ASCIA) is a notable proponent of this method, suggesting that killing the tick before removal can minimize the injection of saliva and reduce the risk of allergic reactions.
  
  
  
  
  Established Medical Advice: The "Pull-It" Method
  
  In contrast, leading health organizations such as the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the American Academy of Dermatology (AAD) recommend a different approach. The standard, medically-advised method involves using fine-tipped tweezers to grasp the tick as close to the skin's surface as possible and pulling upward with steady, even pressure. This method is considered safe and effective when done correctly. These organizations explicitly advise against using substances like petroleum jelly, heat, or nail polish, as these can agitate the tick and increase the risk of fluid regurgitation.
  
  
  
  
  
  
  Ande here the Gemini answer:
  Potential Risks and Dangers of Using Anti-Wart Spray:
  
  Using an anti-wart cryo spray for tick removal is not without its own set of risks:
  
  • Skin Damage:Cryo sprays are designed to destroy wart tissue by freezing it. If not used with extreme care, they can cause frostbite and damage to the surrounding healthy skin.
    
    
    
  • Incomplete Removal: If the tick is not killed instantly or if the freezing is incomplete, the tick may still have time to regurgitate infectious fluids. Furthermore, a partially frozen tick may be more difficult to remove completely, potentially leaving mouthparts embedded in the skin.
  • Flammability: Many of these sprays contain flammable substances like ethyl ether. Using them near an open flame or a source of spark can be dangerous.
    
    
  • Lack of Universal Endorsement: The fact that major health bodies in many countries do not recommend this method suggests that its safety and efficacy are not yet firmly established.
• Conclusion: Is It a Safe Way to Remove Ticks?
  
  While the concept of killing a tick before it can transmit disease is appealing, the use of an ethyl-based anti-wart cryo spray is not a universally recommended or guaranteed safe method for tick removal. The potential for skin damage and the lack of consensus among medical experts are significant concerns.
  
  For the safest and most reliable tick removal, the recommended method remains the use of fine-tipped tweezers. If you are uncomfortable with this method or if the tick has been attached for an extended period, it is always best to consult a healthcare professional. They can ensure the tick is removed correctly and can advise you on the signs and symptoms of tick-borne illnesses to watch for.

 

[Rake Aboot]

I’ve no idea how anyone could trust AI for anything.

First thing I disabled on my phone

 

[Motard]

So

I’ve no idea how anyone could trust AI for anything.

First thing I disabled on my phone

Sorry but can't agree Sir. Being a former journalist and editor in chief I am rather use to iper check from where any news come. Before opening this discussion here I did some homeworks (just read my previous messages) and reported some pros & cons aswell as the link to the original australian research. Then I admit I used the so bashed AI just to gave you all a quick summary (two diff AI apps) that appear to be a way easier & pleasant reading than my babbleting and not mother-thongue english. That said my hunting pall and personal doctor wich was a Army Medical General with a bounch of missions in war's scenarios was litterally going to pass away for the bite of thick in his beard removed the classic way and, for shure, with all the necessary attention.

 

[hol_cpl]

We have found an effective way of removing ticks from our dogs is spinning them around until they get dizzy. It seems to be effective as long as they aren’t too firmly attached. We have also experimented with putting washing up liquid on them, and then they supposedly have to let go? I wonder if they make a human version of the anti-tick tablets?

 

[VSS]

We have found an effective way of removing ticks from our dogs is spinning them around until they get dizzy. It seems to be effective as long as they aren’t too firmly attached. We have also experimented with putting washing up liquid on them, and then they supposedly have to let go? I wonder if they make a human version of the anti-tick tablets?

Do you swing the dog around by the front legs, rear legs, or tail? And don’t you just get dizzy too?

 

[hol_cpl]

Do you swing the dog around by the front legs, rear legs, or tail? And don’t you just get dizzy too?

Clarifying the tick is spinning

 

[Buchan]

We have found an effective way of removing ticks from our dogs is spinning them around until they get dizzy. It seems to be effective as long as they aren’t too firmly attached. We have also experimented with putting washing up liquid on them, and then they supposedly have to let go? I wonder if they make a human version of the anti-tick tablets?

There are trials in humans for the same group of compounds as Bravecto

 

[willie_gunn]

I’ve no idea how anyone could trust AI for anything.

First thing I disabled on my phone

I get where you’re coming from, but I’m afraid you’ll not be able to avoid AI, as it is rapidly becoming omnipresent.

Sadly the media are doing their normal thing of sensationalising any modern technology, when in reality most AI use cases have nothing to do with machines taking over the world.

Rather, AI is replacing things that are mind-numbingly boring, like removing redundant and repetitive tasks, analysing large amounts of information to uncover new insights and perspective on what’s going on, or consuming colossal amounts of data in order to generate something new and useful.

To quite a simple example, the government reported last week that an NHS trial showed that AI could save 400,000 hours per month by doing some simple things like summarising email trails and transcribing interview notes. Having myself turned on the AI assistant for both Zoom and Teams meeting, I’d personally think that government estimate could well be an understatement.

Major NHS AI trial delivers unprecedented time and cost savings

Microsoft 365 Copilot trial demonstrates monthly time savings of potentially 400,000 hours for NHS staff.

www.gov.uk

For sure there will be some negative repercussions from our use of AI, but I well remember the 1970’s, when we were told that the adoption of computers would lead to a “leisure revolution”, with no need for people to go out and work. Yet here we are…..

 

[Rake Aboot]

All the same
I don’t work so will actively try and avoid the damn thing as much as possible as I don’t trust it and think it’s the single most dangerous thing on earth just now

Drama ? Maybe , don’t care .

 

[willie_gunn]

My point was perhaps more that, whilst you can decide that you will not make use of AI at a personal level, it will be impacting your life regardless.

Using another example, at the moment AI is about on a par with the average doctor in terms of being able to analyse and diagnose X-ray and CT scans. However it is still outperformed by specialist doctors. With the rate of advancement of AI, it will soon overtake even those expert physicians. So if you visit your GP or make use of a hospital, the chances are better than even that AI will get involved. If it is, it will improve diagnosis in terms of both accuracy and speed, ensure that you are issued with the relevant medication, and transcribe your notes so that they are more rapidly available to other involved parties. Depressing as this might sound, it will be outside of your control.

In reality it doesn’t matter whether we are talking the NHS, high street banks, the utility companies, national/regional government, retailers, social media or whoever, they are all making use of AI - if not now, then certainly within the next 5 years.

 

[nicowilson]

We have found an effective way of removing ticks from our dogs is spinning them around until they get dizzy. It seems to be effective as long as they aren’t too firmly attached. We have also experimented with putting washing up liquid on them, and then they supposedly have to let go? I wonder if they make a human version of the anti-tick tablets?

What does the dog think about this? (Assuming they can think after being spun round)

 

[dryan]

My day job involves assessing and navigating financial regulation, usually numerous different pieces of legislation cross over.

I have tried AI to see if it could assist in providing direction but 90% of the time it is incompetent in understanding specificities and how they may apply. These were free general AI tools- to be useful the database is uses needs to be tailored I think, a friend heads up sales for an AI software company that assists firms in managing inventory/order forecasting- this tailored solution seems to have a lot more worth.

In relation to removing tics, use a tool to pull it off properly then wrap in tissue and burn in the fireplace!