Trimmed some 22's...

[Smellydog]

dump more energy into killing something

I never understood the British fixation with the above notion.

All I want a bullet or pellet to do is cause a rapid blood pressure drop or disrupt oxygenation. I don't care if that consumes 1% or 90% of the available kinetic energy and I always prefer two holes in something and loath one hole because if there is only one hole that means the bullet slowed to a point whereupon it was useless in it's damage capabilities!

 

[Smallholder]

I never understood the British fixation with the above notion.

Then what is your reasoning with cutting your nose off?

I'd still expect them to go through but with more damage which doesn't seem wrong to me.

 

[Smellydog]

Then what is your reasoning with cutting your nose off?

I'd still expect them to go through but with more damage which doesn't seem wrong to me.

To cause more trauma.

 

[Dunwaters]

I get lots of handed in ammunition from my local dealer. Much is from target shooters. I get it cheap.
My income must be less than yours.

That I understand, but if you are modifying different types and brands of ammo, how do you measure any improvement in performance?

I share this information because there may be someone somewhere that it may benefit.
There is also one last reason.
Because I can!

How can we benefit if you can’t tell us what the benefit is?
At subsonic velocities a lead slug doesn’t expand much, but a .22 cal solid slug will still make a .22 cal hole regardless of shape. A hollow point does putty a bit, but not a lot.
What you are doing will reduce the both the sectional density and ruin the aerodynamic shape of the projectile, you are therefore reducing both range and consistency by destroying the aerodynamic shape. If there was an advantage to wadcutter type .22 ammo, the pistol shooters would be all over it, they’re not, why?
I know that you can do it, and nice work too , but why do you bother?

 

[Dunwaters]

They are literally pointless!

I've found .22LR hollow points often go straight through small critters like rats and squirrels so any idea that might dump more energy into killing something cleanly seems worth a go. I doubt it would affect accuracy as I shoot round nose flat points in my .357 without problems.

I like the idea of @Squirrelbasher 's drill press bit as I assume it'll swage an existing bullet and it'll not alter it much. So I could hollow point my existing target ammo when needed and not have to adjust my zero.

I have used target .22 ammo for decades, it does pencil through, but it is more than lethal enough. I don’t need to pick up rats, squirrels or even most rabbits, I dont care if some run off, they’re not going far and I don’t get paid a bounty.
They’re ded and not getting any dedder.
There are no veterinary hospitals in those ditches and spinneys.

 

[Dunwaters]

To cause more trauma.

Well you’ve certainly succeeded, me brain is still bleeding….

 

[Smellydog]

That I understand, but if you are modifying different types and brands of ammo, how do you measure any improvement in performance?

I count how many seconds it takes for them to die and cross reference it with my earlier notes using ammunition prior to making the cutter.

How can we benefit if you can’t tell us what the benefit is?

I did, I said that it increases lethality.

At subsonic velocities a lead slug doesn’t expand much, but a .22 cal solid slug will still make a .22 cal hole regardless of shape. A hollow point does putty a bit, but not a lot.

Go do more shooting Dunwater.

What you are doing will reduce the both the sectional density and ruin the aerodynamic shape of the projectile, you are therefore reducing both range and consistency by destroying the aerodynamic shape. If there was an advantage to wadcutter type .22 ammo, the pistol shooters would be all over it, they’re not, why?

Go do some more shooting Dunwater.

I know that you can do it, and nice work too , but why do you bother?

I've already explained that. Put the keyboard down and step away from it...

 

[Smellydog]

Well you’ve certainly succeeded, me brain is still bleeding….

Get offline then and take nap.

 

[Dunwaters]

I count how many seconds it takes for them to die and cross reference it with my earlier notes using ammunition prior to making the cutter.

You actually timed the demise of animals from the time of bullet impact and cross referenced those results against projectile shape?

I don’t believe ya.

I did, I said that it increases lethality.

You have said it, but you have not backed up the statement.
If you are correct, law enforcement agencies would be using wad cutter profiles exclusively in their handguns. They’re not.

Go do more shooting Dunwater.

Go do some more shooting Dunwater.
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Thanks, that’s actually very good advice.
I hope to put in a lot more trigger time this year, last year was a bit of a mess.

That photo looks like a pistol cartridge with a jacketed bullet loaded backwards. That can work at short range and moderate velocity.
I was asking specifically about the modified .22 LR profile.

I've already explained that. Put the keyboard down and step away from it...

You have not explained. You have just stated as fact that your modification increases lethality. You have yet to produce a scintilla of supporting evidence.
If you believe that it works and it makes you happy, knock yourself out.
I am genuinely curious about the benefits.
Happy new year!

 

[Smellydog]

You have said it, but you have not backed up the statement.
If you are correct, law enforcement agencies would be using wad cutter profiles exclusively in their handguns. They’re not.

Ever heard of Elmer Keith....

 

[John Gryphon]

To cause more trauma.

Hoy Smelly,I used to cut 22LR bullets off immediately at the case by using a sharp knife for shooting rats at night in poultry sheds to lessen the chance of the pill going through the roof. I shot a lot of rats and put quite a few holes in the ****ing roof too lol.

 

[MilesW]

Ever heard of Elmer Keith....

He related to that Fudd fella?

 

[Dunwaters]

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Ever heard of Elmer Keith....

Yes I have..is there any downside to your modification? Range restrictions, instability, inaccuracy?

 

[Smellydog]

Yes I have..is there any downside to your modification? Range restrictions, instability, inaccuracy?

Not that I have noticed.

 

[Smellydog]

He related to that Fudd fella?

No.

 

[Mike1979]

I think the "because I can" summed it up perfectly for me

 

[weblyish]

To cause more trauma.

Is it possible to invert them instead?
easy enough to pull the bullet without damaging it but i don't know how easy to seat them back in nicely as I've never tried that - case is pretty thin as i could see all sorts of issues with the gas checks on some makes

 

[cjm1066]

Is it possible to invert them instead?
easy enough to pull the bullet without damaging it but i don't know how easy to seat them back in nicely as I've never tried that - case is pretty thin as i could see all sorts of issues with the gas checks on some makes

No 22 R/F bullets have a heel/narrow base to fit the case as bullet and case dia are the same.

 

[Smellydog]

Is it possible to invert them instead?
easy enough to pull the bullet without damaging it but i don't know how easy to seat them back in nicely as I've never tried that - case is pretty thin as i could see all sorts of issues with the gas checks on some makes

That's harder than trimming!

 

[weblyish]

That's harder than trimming!

fair enough