1370 bar on shotgun barrels
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What make is it as then you could look them up would be best
paul o'
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As above! above
The symbol came out after the guns ! I have 3 not marked with the FDL symbol. But the same proof pressure . Btw I am also perfectly happy with older guns
The more important aspect especially with a well used older gun , is it still sound
The more important aspect especially with a well used older gun , is it still sound
3 1/2 " magnum 1370 bar no symbol though because Europe hadn't made it up yet .
Shot size maximum is always noted in the official advice !
You will find that you can buy extended chokes for steel up to BB size shot.
I have three Imp/Mod/Full which i use in my Browning 12 3.5''.
The full choke gives a very good pattern to 62 yards with no 1 steel.
I have fixed chokes in all my game guns (1970s vintage). None are steel shot proofed, but I am happy to shoot standard steel cartridges in them without messing about with detachable chokes.
Clearly, many modern shotguns in good condition can be reproofed for high performance steel and get the fleur de lys stamp.
However, the vast majority of older game guns will have fixed chokes and they are the ones that one has to be careful of. At the bare minimum, they would need the chokes taking down to 1/2 or less, even for standard steel cartridges. But I suspect many of them, originally proofed at lower pressures, wouldn't survive/pass the 3 shots per barrel superior steel proof test, regardless of whether they had been fitted with extended chokes.
If you have a well loved older shotgun, until recently I would have advocated leaving it alone and use it for your non-wildfowl outings and simply getting another gun for steel shot. But with a potential lead ban on the horizon, you are left with the choice of fixing any chokes tighter than half and hoping it'll pass muster for steel. Or retiring it. Except perhaps if you are particularly flush and can afford Bismuth cartridges (Ely VIP Bismuth are £389 for a slab of 250 cartridges). Or maybe some Gamebore Impact Tungsten Matrix which are £89 for a box of 25!!
I have just bought a new-ish o/u Berreta. It has (76mm) 3 inch chambers and is steel proofed with the fleur de lis mark which I understand is 1370 bar. It has variable chokes with cylinder and quarter in there (very open).
My question is what is the maximum load (in grams) of lead I can fire? Some online sources say any 3 inch cartridges are fine, which would go up to 50 grams. I don't necessarily want to fire that, but just understand what's possible.
My question is what is the maximum load (in grams) of lead I can fire? Some online sources say any 3 inch cartridges are fine, which would go up to 50 grams. I don't necessarily want to fire that, but just understand what's possible.
now you are hoping, Tin has always been a much more expensive metal, like bismuth than lead, so your reasonable price is very unlikely to happen. The prices are in US $ so what that say £34,500 for a 1000 kg
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timbrayford
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In Denmark apparently it's been down graded to 1/4 choke
And if you speak to distributors of some premium brands wi the skinny chokes you would never go tighter than cylinder!
Not confidence inspiring
enfieldspares
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No! It may be suitable for steel but no fleur de lys and it ain't by the words of the law proofed for high pressure steel.
enfieldspares
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Tin shot has been tried. I have in fact tried what Hull Cartridge used to sell as Game Flight. These used #3 tin shot. All the birds (driven game) that I shot with it were killed but the bruising on the breasts of them was quite severe. Such that a dressed bird would look not at all a buyer's choice if displayed in the butcher's chiller cabinet. They ate well enough and no different to any other bird when cooked.
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